New Hire Class Drops
02-02-2023, 07:38 PM
#3731
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Originally Posted by contrails
Sure, I don't argue that -- but I just don't get why they wouldn't start out with using the normal numbers that would be used going forward.
The fuel burn isn't some shot in the dark for a plane/engines that's been flying for years already.
The fuel burn isn't some shot in the dark for a plane/engines that's been flying for years already.
02-02-2023, 08:30 PM
#3733
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Anyone know why there hasn’t been any DTW 73NB on any drops recently? It’s been a couple months at least. It seems to be an understaffed category judging by the fact my phone rings off the hook every day with GS offers. Just curious why it hasn’t been included.
02-02-2023, 08:53 PM
#3734
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Originally Posted by OOfff
the SFO fuel stops will go away. It’s a fuel planning buffer thing that won’t persist, according to a top man
Who’s going to forsake 2600 lb. fuel flows with nearly 200 folks seated?
02-02-2023, 09:01 PM
#3735
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Originally Posted by zippinbye
New type to overwater, new dispatchers that speak 321 but not Pacific, some pilots new to the theater, but not as many as one might assume. These little kinks will sort out; it’s not like saying “ everyone else flies some sort of 737, we can make a -900 work.”
Who’s going to forsake 2600 lb. fuel flows with nearly 200 folks seated?
Who’s going to forsake 2600 lb. fuel flows with nearly 200 folks seated?
02-03-2023, 02:41 AM
#3736
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Originally Posted by contrails
Sure, I don't argue that -- but I just don't get why they wouldn't start out with using the normal numbers that would be used going forward.
The fuel burn isn't some shot in the dark for a plane/engines that's been flying for years already.
The fuel burn isn't some shot in the dark for a plane/engines that's been flying for years already.
02-03-2023, 04:11 AM
#3737
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Originally Posted by CoefficientX
I wrote in another thread that two days ago I had a conversation with a dispatcher about the NEO’s and Hawaii flying. He stated they were padding the fuel numbers by an additional 10-15% over etops mins until they were able to establish their own reliable baseline data. Those tech stops should be minimized moving forward.
02-03-2023, 11:36 AM
#3738
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Originally Posted by fishforfun
This is a pretty standard practice. We have to establish our own data. Airlines don’t share their data amongst themselves (and why would they) and Airbus can only provide what the engineers think. We did this with the 220 and the 900neo. Nothing new. I’ve talked to JB guys that do a lot of island flying out of JFK and they discussed block fuel and it was significantly less than a standard 321. This will work itself out.
02-03-2023, 05:37 PM
#3739
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Originally Posted by CoefficientX
I wrote in another thread that two days ago I had a conversation with a dispatcher about the NEO’s and Hawaii flying. He stated they were padding the fuel numbers by an additional 10-15% over etops mins until they were able to establish their own reliable baseline data. Those tech stops should be minimized moving forward.
02-03-2023, 06:19 PM
#3740
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Originally Posted by tcco94
It’s not a new type to overwater, unless you mean to us. Neos have been in Hawaii for a while now. It works well but even other airlines have had the occasional buy people off. To be honest that’s becoming standard anyways with the over sales.
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