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Old 09-29-2023 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
That's a tough question to answer, in part because the sands are often shifting, and in part because we have some international growth coming over the next 5 years. But...

ATL is, and has always been, pretty senior for WB B. Honestly, it will probably take better part of a decade for ATL. Conversely, NYC is, and has always been, the most junior WB B.

As Fastpilot said above, the most junior WB B has been going to about 70% in the company, but NYC might get to ~80% as we go forward. But very likely somewhere between those goalposts. Incidentally, DOH, or "years to hold" is a horrible metric, given the crazy hiring we have had in the last couple years, and the slight slowdown in pace of hiring coming. We will hire around 2400 total this year, 1700 next year, and 1300 annually going forward. With a current list of around 16500 & about 500 retirements a year, you can do some math, but suffice to say, if current (which is also the historic) trends hold going forward, you are probably looking at 4-8 years for 80% and 70% respectively in NYC. At least for planing purposes, that's what I would expect.
That is some good insight, thanks
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Old 09-29-2023 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ninedriver
last I’d heard they’d amended their hiring plans to 2000-2500 again next year (and they keep changing them) but on the whole I agree with all of this.
1,700 next year was the answer at the NYC base visits earlier this week.
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Old 09-29-2023 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
1,700 next year was the answer at the NYC base visits earlier this week.
Precisely, that's where I got the numbers I quoted.
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Old 09-29-2023 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
1,700 next year was the answer at the NYC base visits earlier this week.
I believe that too. I’ve heard numbers varying from 1500-2500 depending on the person that’s answered. We’ll see what actually happens next year.
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Old 09-29-2023 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
1,700 next year was the answer at the NYC base visits earlier this week.
that would still put us around 18,000 by end of 2024.
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Old 09-29-2023 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
that would still put us around 18,000 by end of 2024.
Wow, that puts the COVID plug at around 60% in just over 4 years. They’ve gone from being the last of 2,558 to nearly halfway up in barely any time.
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Old 09-29-2023 | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
1,700 next year was the answer at the NYC base visits earlier this week.
They said 175-200 a month for the first half. Then the second half it depends on 2025 schedule.

Today its approximately 1700…but it can change half way next year.
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Old 09-29-2023 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
They said 175-200 a month for the first half. Then the second half it depends on 2025 schedule.

Today its approximately 1700…but it can change half way next year.
2025 is when the Max10 is supposed to start coming. Any (more) holdups there would affect hiring in the second half of 24 I’d imagine.
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Old 09-29-2023 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
And what are you holding today?

Yeah….stagnation.
so because things are good now that is the only possible way it could go in the future? The reality is all this movement could come to a grinding halt for any number of reasons. It would be extremely foolish to think otherwise.

2019 was about a rock solid as a year gets for our industry and yet 2020 turned that all on its head. Do you really think that now, with all that is going on in the world and those potential impacts on our career that we are impervious to stagnation?
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Old 10-02-2023 | 04:39 AM
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Lots of deleting, I apologize if a legit post got caught in the mix. Please stop with the mudslinging from both sides of the fence.



So anyway, about those class drops...
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