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10-02-2023 | 05:13 AM
#4701
On Reserve
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10-02-2023 | 07:36 AM
#4702
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10-02-2023 | 08:18 AM
#4703
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That's a tough question to answer, in part because the sands are often shifting, and in part because we have some international growth coming over the next 5 years. But...
ATL is, and has always been, pretty senior for WB B. Honestly, it will probably take better part of a decade for ATL. Conversely, NYC is, and has always been, the most junior WB B.
As Fastpilot said above, the most junior WB B has been going to about 70% in the company, but NYC might get to ~80% as we go forward. But very likely somewhere between those goalposts. Incidentally, DOH, or "years to hold" is a horrible metric, given the crazy hiring we have had in the last couple years, and the slight slowdown in pace of hiring coming. We will hire around 2400 total this year, 1700 next year, and 1300 annually going forward. With a current list of around 16500 & about 500 retirements a year, you can do some math, but suffice to say, if current (which is also the historic) trends hold going forward, you are probably looking at 4-8 years for 80% and 70% respectively in NYC. At least for planing purposes, that's what I would expect.
ATL is, and has always been, pretty senior for WB B. Honestly, it will probably take better part of a decade for ATL. Conversely, NYC is, and has always been, the most junior WB B.
As Fastpilot said above, the most junior WB B has been going to about 70% in the company, but NYC might get to ~80% as we go forward. But very likely somewhere between those goalposts. Incidentally, DOH, or "years to hold" is a horrible metric, given the crazy hiring we have had in the last couple years, and the slight slowdown in pace of hiring coming. We will hire around 2400 total this year, 1700 next year, and 1300 annually going forward. With a current list of around 16500 & about 500 retirements a year, you can do some math, but suffice to say, if current (which is also the historic) trends hold going forward, you are probably looking at 4-8 years for 80% and 70% respectively in NYC. At least for planing purposes, that's what I would expect.
Thanks, y’all 🤙
10-02-2023 | 08:40 AM
#4704
Gets Weekends Off
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From: Hoping for any position
10-02-2023 | 09:23 AM
#4705
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Plug is last on the list. In most categories that will be reserve. In some categories, reserve goes so senior, the last guys are ‘stuck’ with a line.
10-02-2023 | 12:33 PM
#4706
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From: retired 767(dl)
10-02-2023 | 08:24 PM
#4707
Runs with scissors
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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
10-05-2023 | 05:54 AM
#4709
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From: F0
10-05-2023 | 10:09 AM
#4710
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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
All year! 🤣👍
But seriously, none of the young new hires today ever flew flight engineer, doing EVERY walk around, in the snow, both ways, and on the B Scale. There has never in the airline history been as good an environment to be hired into than today, with new hires getting into the right seat of the highest paying wide bodies, and getting 767 Captain bids in their first year or two.
I’m happy for them, but it’s not at all “normal” career progression that anyone from 10-40 years ago went through.
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