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#81

Herkflyr , 06-30-2021 05:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bugman61

Releasing after 1500 does trigger an extra day to be restored, but unless you are talking about days in the bank it doesn't actually generate 24 more hours off. Take the following example of a 2 day GS that releases at 1445 vs 1515:

1 X GS

2 X GS (release at 1445)

3 X

4 RSV

5 RSV

6 RSV

The pilot gets 9 hours free from duty which takes them to 2345 on the 2nd. They have 2 interrupted plus 1 remaining X day in the block. That gives them 72 hours off from 2345 on the 2nd, and they go back on call at 2345 on the 5th. It will show as PB PB PR (2345).

Take the same scenario with a 1515 release:

1 X GS

2 X GS (release at 1515)

3 X

4 RSV

5 RSV

6 RSV

9 hours free from duty goes to 0015 on the 3rd. The pilot now has 3 interrupted and 0 remaining X days in the block. That gives them 72 hours off from 0015 on the 3rd, and they go back on call at 0015 on the 6th. It will show as PB PB PB PR(0015) The end result of a trip releasing 30 minutes later is that they go back on call 30 minutes later.

If the pilot did not have any RSV days left in the month the extra time would generate another PB day, but thats the only scenario in which you get a full extra day.

I yield. I'm getting a headache but your logic is 100% correct, as far as I can tell. I suppose the only true "magic" of a release after 1500 is if you had no more on call days left, thus a full PB day in the bank.

#82

ebl14 , 07-03-2021 09:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Herkflyr

☝️exactly. In the simplest form there is no such thing as a PR in the bank, so when banking days a release after 1500 nets an extra pb.

#83

Owlchemist , 07-03-2021 12:51 PM

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Do PB days start on duty out or the next calender day? If I can end a RES GS with a red eye is most of that first PB day taken by the last day of the trip?

#84

DWC CAP10 USAF , 07-03-2021 01:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Owlchemist

Do PB days start on duty out or the next calender day? If I can end a RES GS with a red eye is most of that first PB day taken by the last day of the trip?

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#85

FangsF15 , 07-03-2021 02:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Owlchemist

Do PB days start on duty out or the next calender day? If I can end a RES GS with a red eye is most of that first PB day taken by the last day of the trip?

From your release (30 min after block in), add 9 hours. Then add 24 hours for each X-Day violated.

If you end a trip on a Red eye, you will “start” your PB clock on that same day, but it’s not the best way to think about it, honestly. You ultimately are simply shifting the “start” time of your X-Days to something other than 0000 midnight, based on the above math.

#86

GogglesPisano , 07-06-2021 08:43 AM

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Scenario:

A RES is RES FULL. He green slips on remaining RES days. Obviously he gets straight pay above his guarantee since he's already at his guarantee.

But does he get PB days?

#87

Falcon20 , 07-06-2021 09:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GogglesPisano

Scenario:

A RES is RES FULL. He green slips on remaining RES days. Obviously he gets straight pay above his guarantee since he's already at his guarantee.

But does he get PB days?

80% sure they don’t because Full days are not off days.

#88

Hrkdrivr , 07-06-2021 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano;[url=tel:3259783

3259783[/url]]Scenario:

A RES is RES FULL. He green slips on remaining RES days. Obviously he gets straight pay above his guarantee since he's already at his guarantee.

But does he get PB days?

Be careful and research. I don’t have time to dig into it, but I think your first assumption is wrong (no pay above guarantee for GS on RES days, even if full) and no PB days unless GS is on Xdays.

#89

GogglesPisano , 07-06-2021 09:06 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hrkdrivr

Be careful and research. I don’t have time to dig into it, but I think your first assumption is wrong (no pay above guarantee for GS on RES days, even if full) and no PB days unless GS is on Xdays.

The pay will be above guarantee by simple arithmetic (he's already at guarantee.)

The SRH implies what Falcon said, no PB days since they are not X days. It would be like YS'ing.

#90

Hrkdrivr , 07-06-2021 09:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GogglesPisano;[url=tel:3259798

3259798]The pay will be above guarantee by simple arithmetic (he's already at guarantee.)

The SRH implies what Falcon said, no PB days since they are not X days. It would be like YS'ing.

Duh on the first part. My bad. And yes, you’re essentially YSing.