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Old 06-28-2021 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by StartngOvr
Day 5 is July 1. June bid period. X day.


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So just to be clear you have this:

27 X
28 RSV
29 RSV
30 RSV
1 X

And you picked up a 4-day GS starting on the 27th, that ends after midnight on the 1st.

If that is the case the time for the 27th is single pay no credit, the time for the rest of the trip is pay and credit. You get 9 hours off until 09XX on the first. Then 2x24 hours (one for the 27th, one for the 1st). Neither of those can be placed in the remaining time in June so you get 2 days in the bank.
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Old 06-28-2021 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by bugman61
So just to be clear you have this:

27 X
28 RSV
29 RSV
30 RSV
1 X

And you picked up a 4-day GS starting on the 27th, that ends after midnight on the 1st.

If that is the case the time for the 27th is single pay no credit, the time for the rest of the trip is pay and credit. You get 9 hours off until 09XX on the first. Then 2x24 hours (one for the 27th, one for the 1st). Neither of those can be placed in the remaining time in June so you get 2 days in the bank.

Exactly. With one clarification about when it “ends”. Blocks in on 6/30 but release time is on 7/1.

Just clarifying as to the term “ends” as it can mean different things in other contexts.

But I’m thinking 09xx on 7/1 plus 24 plus 24 takes us to 09xx on 7/3. To me that is 2 PB plus 1 PR day. Since they are going into the bank, the PR day “rounds up” and becomes three PB days in the bank.


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Old 06-29-2021 | 02:54 AM
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Keep it simple…

Block in + 30 min of duty (released) + 9 hours free of duty…then add 24 hours for each day (XX, * , PB) that was interrupted
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Old 06-29-2021 | 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by StartngOvr
Exactly. With one clarification about when it “ends”. Blocks in on 6/30 but release time is on 7/1.

Just clarifying as to the term “ends” as it can mean different things in other contexts.

But I’m thinking 09xx on 7/1 plus 24 plus 24 takes us to 09xx on 7/3. To me that is 2 PB plus 1 PR day. Since they are going into the bank, the PR day “rounds up” and becomes three PB days in the bank.


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Block in only matters for 117 FDP calculations. For trip length it’s alway about release time.

You get 48 hours of payback time for the 2 interrupted days. Starting at 09XX on the 1st, just under 15 hours can fit in the June period. The rest goes into the bank as 2 PB days. There’s no pr.
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Old 06-29-2021 | 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
Keep it simple…

Block in + 30 min of duty (released) + 9 hours free of duty…then add 24 hours for each day (XX, * , PB) that was interrupted

This. And if there's no time in the month for a PR it instead becomes a PB day in your bank


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Old 06-29-2021 | 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
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Block in + 30 min of duty (released) + 9 hours free of duty…then add 24 hours for each day (XX, * , PB) that was interrupted
Correct. I would remind everyone that the 30 min post flight and nine hour free of duty are all part of the "template" of the original trip. If ANY part of that template touches another calendar day, that's a whole extra 24 hours free of duty!

Assuming you haven't flown a reserve GS yet and have no PR days on your schedule (which makes the math a bit trickier), that's why a trip that blocks in after 1430 is such a good deal. Let's say you fly a one day reserve GS that blocks in at 1445. Add the 30 minutes plus nine hours and that takes the template of the trip to 0015 the next day. You have now violated two off days and thus get 48 hours free. Had your trip blocked in 30 minutes earlier you would have only gotten 24 hours off.
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Old 06-29-2021 | 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by bugman61
So just to be clear you have this:

27 X
28 RSV
29 RSV
30 RSV
1 X

And you picked up a 4-day GS starting on the 27th, that ends after midnight on the 1st.

If that is the case the time for the 27th is single pay no credit, the time for the rest of the trip is pay and credit. You get 9 hours off until 09XX on the first. Then 2x24 hours (one for the 27th, one for the 1st). Neither of those can be placed in the remaining time in June so you get 2 days in the bank.
I think the 28th, 29th and 30th are credit only (no pay) unless you were already full for the month.
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Old 06-29-2021 | 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
Correct. I would remind everyone that the 30 min post flight and nine hour free of duty are all part of the "template" of the original trip. If ANY part of that template touches another calendar day, that's a whole extra 24 hours free of duty!

Assuming you haven't flown a reserve GS yet and have no PR days on your schedule (which makes the math a bit trickier), that's why a trip that blocks in after 1430 is such a good deal. Let's say you fly a one day reserve GS that blocks in at 1445. Add the 30 minutes plus nine hours and that takes the template of the trip to 0015 the next day. You have now violated two off days and thus get 48 hours free. Had your trip blocked in 30 minutes earlier you would have only gotten 24 hours off.
What about the PR day? If a PR day is interrupted, would that result in a full 24 hour period or only the amount of time the PR was worth?

Thanks for this, it’s good stuff to know.
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Old 06-29-2021 | 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
Correct. I would remind everyone that the 30 min post flight and nine hour free of duty are all part of the "template" of the original trip. If ANY part of that template touches another calendar day, that's a whole extra 24 hours free of duty!

Assuming you haven't flown a reserve GS yet and have no PR days on your schedule (which makes the math a bit trickier), that's why a trip that blocks in after 1430 is such a good deal. Let's say you fly a one day reserve GS that blocks in at 1445. Add the 30 minutes plus nine hours and that takes the template of the trip to 0015 the next day. You have now violated two off days and thus get 48 hours free. Had your trip blocked in 30 minutes earlier you would have only gotten 24 hours off.
This is only true if you have no more on call days to change into PB/PR and are instead putting PB days in the bank. If you have on call days left, the difference between a trip releasing at 1445 and 1515 is only moving the end of your PR 30 minutes later from 2345 to 0015.
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Old 06-29-2021 | 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Iceberg
What about the PR day? If a PR day is interrupted, would that result in a full 24 hour period or only the amount of time the PR was worth?

Thanks for this, it’s good stuff to know.
Yes you get a PB day if the PR is interrupted, but you may already have credit for it if the PB the day before was also interrupted.

PR is just a notation required because iCrew cant display X days that start at times other than midnight. The PR is actually included in the PB day that you have in the 24 hours before the end of the PR. For example if you have one PB followed by a PR that ends at 0400, you actually have one PB "day" that goes from 0401 the day before until 0400. If that day is interrupted by one minute you get a new PB day, but you don't get double credit for the PB and PR.

The scheduling alert from a while ago gave several examples.
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