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Old 06-27-2021 | 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Turbo1
Boy, ain't that the truth.....Definitely out of context for his persona......He was getting too used to featherbedding his mgmt nest
Idk, a few years prior, he was at our indoc ALPA night. He started yelling at our class because a few people didn't sign up for the PAC or something like that. Then he had to be ushered out of the hotel by his buddies after he nearly got into an altercation. Apparently, there was a heated conversation with a line pilot who showed up and started asking him pointed questions.
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Old 06-27-2021 | 02:02 PM
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Donetelli did some good but one aw **** gets rid of a 100 attaboys…. yelling PEB! And supporting TA-1 were a couple of HUGE aw ****s!

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Old 06-27-2021 | 02:07 PM
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Mike Donatelli: “Peee Eeeee Beeeee!” Whatever good he did was completely undone, and then some, when he screamed at us that if we didn’t accept the garbage TA1, that was where we were headed.
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Donetelli did some good but one aw **** gets rid of a 100 attaboys…. yelling PEB! And supporting TA-1 were a couple of HUGE aw ****s!

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so… what is this PEB incident?
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Old 06-27-2021 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
Idk, a few years prior, he was at our indoc ALPA night. He started yelling at our class because a few people didn't sign up for the PAC or something like that. Then he had to be ushered out of the hotel by his buddies after he nearly got into an altercation. Apparently, there was a heated conversation with a line pilot who showed up and started asking him pointed questions.
Well......He was always a hawk until he until he became MEC chair. He was in charge of the strike committee before that if memory serves. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. I hope he was run out of town on rails.......
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Old 06-27-2021 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
so… what is this PEB incident?
I believe it was at a meeting in Peachtree City to sell TA-1 on the last contract (TA was later voted down for first time at Delta), he got so angry he started yelling and said if this got voted down the next step was a PEB. I wasn’t there but I believe there was a phone video of it somewhere.

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Old 06-27-2021 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
so… what is this PEB incident?
In 2015, at the height of the discontent over TA1, just before it was voted down, there was a grassroots movement that peaked during open discussion an ALPA (C44 LEC?) meeting. Several hundred unhappy pilots were making their voices and objections heard to the MEC, including Donatelli (who was the MEC chair at the time). He was getting exasperated over his 'baby' clearly about to go down in flames. He basically castigated everyone in attendance who was against TA1, disgustedly yelling "if you vote it down, do you know what will happen???? PEB!!!!!" Basically trying to use the fear of a PEB to get us to vote for it.

It went down as the dying cry of the hard sales-job that was TA1. TA2 ended up being massively better, there was no PEB, and it turns out despite the CEO RA's assertions of "there will not be a better deal" - there was. I for one will never believe the company's claims of "this is our best deal" again.

*Edit - Denny beat me to it. And yes, there is Cell video of it somewhere...
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Old 06-27-2021 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
I believe it was at a meeting in Peachtree City to sell TA-1 on the last contract (TA was later voted down for first time at Delta), he got so angry he started yelling and said if this got voted down the next step was a PEB. I wasn’t there but I believe there was a phone video of it somewhere.

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Originally Posted by FangsF15
In 2015, at the height of the discontent over TA1, just before it was voted down, there was a grassroots movement that peaked during open discussion an ALPA (C44 LEC?) meeting. Several hundred unhappy pilots were making their voices and objections heard to the MEC, including Donatelli (who was the MEC chair at the time). He was getting exasperated over his 'baby' clearly about to go down in flames. He basically castigated everyone in attendance who was against TA1, disgustedly yelling "if you vote it down, do you know what will happen???? PEB!!!!!" Basically trying to use the fear of a PEB to get us to vote for it.

It went down as the dying cry of the hard sales-job that was TA1. TA2 ended up being massively better, there was no PEB, and it turns out despite the CEO RA's assertions of "there will not be a better deal" - there was. I for one will never believe the company's claims of "this is our best deal" again.

*Edit - Denny beat me to it. And yes, there is Cell video of it somewhere...
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Old 06-27-2021 | 04:45 PM
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Old 06-27-2021 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Man, I’m glad someone had their potato out to catch that.
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Old 06-27-2021 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
In 2015, at the height of the discontent over TA1, just before it was voted down, there was a grassroots movement that peaked during open discussion an ALPA (C44 LEC?) meeting. Several hundred unhappy pilots were making their voices and objections heard to the MEC, including Donatelli (who was the MEC chair at the time). He was getting exasperated over his 'baby' clearly about to go down in flames. He basically castigated everyone in attendance who was against TA1, disgustedly yelling "if you vote it down, do you know what will happen???? PEB!!!!!" Basically trying to use the fear of a PEB to get us to vote for it.

It went down as the dying cry of the hard sales-job that was TA1. TA2 ended up being massively better, there was no PEB, and it turns out despite the CEO RA's assertions of "there will not be a better deal" - there was.I for one will never believe the company's claims of "this is our best deal" again.

*Edit - Denny beat me to it. And yes, there is Cell video of it somewhere...


This always amazes me, what does anyone think he is going to say, maybe something like this:

"Well we would like you to accept the offer on the table, but if you don't we will come back with a more lucrative offer." I could not believe people were actually saying R.A. said this was the last best offer so we should take it.

Don't get me wrong, sometimes people actual bargain this way -that's fine, but the fact that he said it was the last and final offer is actually irrelevant - that is basically the only thing he can say. See above.

IMHO voting down TA-1 was probably a DALPA high point in the last 25 years. Although it was risky turning down the proposed 5 cent per-diem raise. Yes that is not a typo - the company actually offered a 5 cent per-diem raise and DALPA gave that and the rest of that deal the hard sell for months.


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