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Idk, a few years prior, he was at our indoc ALPA night. He started yelling at our class because a few people didn't sign up for the PAC or something like that. Then he had to be ushered out of the hotel by his buddies after he nearly got into an altercation. Apparently, there was a heated conversation with a line pilot who showed up and started asking him pointed questions.
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Idk, a few years prior, he was at our indoc ALPA night. He started yelling at our class because a few people didn't sign up for the PAC or something like that. Then he had to be ushered out of the hotel by his buddies after he nearly got into an altercation. Apparently, there was a heated conversation with a line pilot who showed up and started asking him pointed questions.
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I believe it was at a meeting in Peachtree City to sell TA-1 on the last contract (TA was later voted down for first time at Delta), he got so angry he started yelling and said if this got voted down the next step was a PEB. I wasn’t there but I believe there was a phone video of it somewhere.
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In 2015, at the height of the discontent over TA1, just before it was voted down, there was a grassroots movement that peaked during open discussion an ALPA (C44 LEC?) meeting. Several hundred unhappy pilots were making their voices and objections heard to the MEC, including Donatelli (who was the MEC chair at the time). He was getting exasperated over his 'baby' clearly about to go down in flames. He basically castigated everyone in attendance who was against TA1, disgustedly yelling "if you vote it down, do you know what will happen???? PEB!!!!!" Basically trying to use the fear of a PEB to get us to vote for it.
It went down as the dying cry of the hard sales-job that was TA1. TA2 ended up being massively better, there was no PEB, and it turns out despite the CEO RA's assertions of "there will not be a better deal" - there was. I for one will never believe the company's claims of "this is our best deal" again.
*Edit - Denny beat me to it. And yes, there is Cell video of it somewhere...
It went down as the dying cry of the hard sales-job that was TA1. TA2 ended up being massively better, there was no PEB, and it turns out despite the CEO RA's assertions of "there will not be a better deal" - there was. I for one will never believe the company's claims of "this is our best deal" again.
*Edit - Denny beat me to it. And yes, there is Cell video of it somewhere...
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I believe it was at a meeting in Peachtree City to sell TA-1 on the last contract (TA was later voted down for first time at Delta), he got so angry he started yelling and said if this got voted down the next step was a PEB. I wasn’t there but I believe there was a phone video of it somewhere.
Denny
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In 2015, at the height of the discontent over TA1, just before it was voted down, there was a grassroots movement that peaked during open discussion an ALPA (C44 LEC?) meeting. Several hundred unhappy pilots were making their voices and objections heard to the MEC, including Donatelli (who was the MEC chair at the time). He was getting exasperated over his 'baby' clearly about to go down in flames. He basically castigated everyone in attendance who was against TA1, disgustedly yelling "if you vote it down, do you know what will happen???? PEB!!!!!" Basically trying to use the fear of a PEB to get us to vote for it.
It went down as the dying cry of the hard sales-job that was TA1. TA2 ended up being massively better, there was no PEB, and it turns out despite the CEO RA's assertions of "there will not be a better deal" - there was. I for one will never believe the company's claims of "this is our best deal" again.
*Edit - Denny beat me to it. And yes, there is Cell video of it somewhere...
It went down as the dying cry of the hard sales-job that was TA1. TA2 ended up being massively better, there was no PEB, and it turns out despite the CEO RA's assertions of "there will not be a better deal" - there was. I for one will never believe the company's claims of "this is our best deal" again.
*Edit - Denny beat me to it. And yes, there is Cell video of it somewhere...
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In 2015, at the height of the discontent over TA1, just before it was voted down, there was a grassroots movement that peaked during open discussion an ALPA (C44 LEC?) meeting. Several hundred unhappy pilots were making their voices and objections heard to the MEC, including Donatelli (who was the MEC chair at the time). He was getting exasperated over his 'baby' clearly about to go down in flames. He basically castigated everyone in attendance who was against TA1, disgustedly yelling "if you vote it down, do you know what will happen???? PEB!!!!!" Basically trying to use the fear of a PEB to get us to vote for it.
It went down as the dying cry of the hard sales-job that was TA1. TA2 ended up being massively better, there was no PEB, and it turns out despite the CEO RA's assertions of "there will not be a better deal" - there was.I for one will never believe the company's claims of "this is our best deal" again.
*Edit - Denny beat me to it. And yes, there is Cell video of it somewhere...
It went down as the dying cry of the hard sales-job that was TA1. TA2 ended up being massively better, there was no PEB, and it turns out despite the CEO RA's assertions of "there will not be a better deal" - there was.I for one will never believe the company's claims of "this is our best deal" again.
*Edit - Denny beat me to it. And yes, there is Cell video of it somewhere...
This always amazes me, what does anyone think he is going to say, maybe something like this:
"Well we would like you to accept the offer on the table, but if you don't we will come back with a more lucrative offer." I could not believe people were actually saying R.A. said this was the last best offer so we should take it.

Don't get me wrong, sometimes people actual bargain this way -that's fine, but the fact that he said it was the last and final offer is actually irrelevant - that is basically the only thing he can say. See above.
IMHO voting down TA-1 was probably a DALPA high point in the last 25 years. Although it was risky turning down the proposed 5 cent per-diem raise. Yes that is not a typo - the company actually offered a 5 cent per-diem raise and DALPA gave that and the rest of that deal the hard sell for months.

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