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Iceberg 01-17-2022 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by jaxsurf (Post 3354402)
If you're so strapped for cash that you can't live for a month without that extra pay then I humbly submit these money saving tips to help you out of this tight spot you've found yourself in:

1) Consider making coffee at home instead of buying it from a coffee shop
2) Buy generic brand items instead of name brand products
3) Pack a lunch instead of buying it each day, and consider only eating out for dinner once per month
4) Bundle up in socks, sweaters, and warm pants instead of running an expensive heater in your home
5) Utilize your local library instead of buying expensive books

It's tough being a commuting narrow body FO after 15 years, but hopefully these tips and tricks will help ease the strain of not receiving that extra pay for a month.

Don't forget how much good food is tossed out behind restaurants each year. That’s some good savings.

Drum 01-17-2022 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 3354484)
Don't forget how much good food is tossed out behind restaurants each year. That’s some good savings.

I recall from my -88 days a certain guy, mit phone clip on belt, white NB sticking out of the dumpster behind the Chili's at FAY layover.

Rumor has it he's trolling around there still......

Iceberg 01-17-2022 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3354610)
I recall from my -88 days a certain guy, mit phone clip on belt, white NB sticking out of the dumpster behind the Chili's at FAY layover.

Rumor has it he's trolling around there still......

Sadly, I can picture that.

I believe there was a bankruptcy era memo from NWA that offered up some savings suggestions and dumpster diving was on it. I wasn’t here but someone else may be able to verify that.

crazyjaydawg 01-17-2022 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3354610)
I recall from my -88 days a certain guy, mit phone clip on belt, white NB sticking out of the dumpster behind the Chili's at FAY layover.

Rumor has it he's trolling around there still......


I think the joke is referring to the NWA days when they declared bankruptcy and were cutting everyone’s pay.

The company actually mailed out fliers that suggest people dumpster dive for food and clothes…

As a separate aside, can crew assist help explain pay issues? I would love to ask crew scheds first, but I also don’t want to be on hold for 8 hours.

tennisguru 01-17-2022 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by crazyjaydawg (Post 3354664)
I think the joke is referring to the NWA days when they declared bankruptcy and were cutting everyone’s pay.

The company actually mailed out fliers that suggest people dumpster dive for food and clothes…

As a separate aside, can crew assist help explain pay issues? I would love to ask crew scheds first, but I also don’t want to be on hold for 8 hours.

I got through last night in under a minute. I think things are returning to normal.

HandFlyorDie 01-18-2022 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by jaxsurf (Post 3354402)
If you're so strapped for cash that you can't live for a month without that extra pay then I humbly submit these money saving tips to help you out of this tight spot you've found yourself in:

1) Consider making coffee at home instead of buying it from a coffee shop
2) Buy generic brand items instead of name brand products
3) Pack a lunch instead of buying it each day, and consider only eating out for dinner once per month
4) Bundle up in socks, sweaters, and warm pants instead of running an expensive heater in your home
5) Utilize your local library instead of buying expensive books

It's tough being a commuting narrow body FO after 15 years, but hopefully these tips and tricks will help ease the strain of not receiving that extra pay for a month.

In regards to number 4...if your heater goes out on first year pay, its required:eek:

Rooster435 01-18-2022 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 3354738)
I got through last night in under a minute. I think things are returning to normal.

Sometimes getting ahold of them doesn’t even help. I had a GS this month where a couple of legs were cancelled and when the trip closed my time card had been reduced by 3+ hours from when the trip started. I actually got ahold of a scheduler and she said rotation guarantee didn’t apply to Green Slips. I was pretty sure that was wrong so I asked to speak to a supervisor. “Supervisor is swamped, suggest you contact your Chief Pilot.” Got ahold of a Chief Pilot and he said he thought maybe the scheduler was right but that they were swamped with Covid verifications so he didn’t have time to track it down and suggested I submit in the Ace App. Everyone was very polite but my impression was that they were just trying to keep their head above water and didn’t want to deal with anything in the rear view mirror.

My feedback to the Chief Pilot was that there has to be a better way to solve these time card/pay issues than talking to an already busy scheduler on the phone. I have at least one issue a month so extrapolate that out over 13,000 pilots and you have lots of wasted Pilot and scheduler time. I suggested a form similar to what we use for pay back days. That way they can be handled during the slow hours AND by someone who actually knows what they are doing.

Iceberg 01-18-2022 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by Rooster435 (Post 3354984)
Sometimes getting ahold of them doesn’t even help. I had a GS this month where a couple of legs were cancelled and when the trip closed my time card had been reduced by 3+ hours from when the trip started. I actually got ahold of a scheduler and she said rotation guarantee didn’t apply to Green Slips. I was pretty sure that was wrong so I asked to speak to a supervisor. “Supervisor is swamped, suggest you contact your Chief Pilot.” Got ahold of a Chief Pilot and he said he thought maybe the scheduler was right but that they were swamped with Covid verifications so he didn’t have time to track it down and suggested I submit in the Ace App. Everyone was very polite but my impression was that they were just trying to keep their head above water and didn’t want to deal with anything in the rear view mirror.

My feedback to the Chief Pilot was that there has to be a better way to solve these time card/pay issues than talking to an already busy scheduler on the phone. I have at least one issue a month so extrapolate that out over 13,000 pilots and you have lots of wasted Pilot and scheduler time. I suggested a form similar to what we use for pay back days. That way they can be handled during the slow hours AND by someone who actually knows what they are doing.

The company could have their own version of the ACE app. Instead of ACE for Automatic Contract Enforcement, it could be called PEWTAE for Paying Employees What They Actually Earned. They could program it to just pay people correctly in the first place. Maybe it could also be programmed to follow the contract.

dbrownie 01-18-2022 06:30 AM

ACE app also has a pay code list too which can be helpful.

I have several “pending” reports hoping the back log gets caught up.

NJGov 01-18-2022 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by Rooster435 (Post 3354984)
Sometimes getting ahold of them doesn’t even help. I had a GS this month where a couple of legs were cancelled and when the trip closed my time card had been reduced by 3+ hours from when the trip started. I actually got ahold of a scheduler and she said rotation guarantee didn’t apply to Green Slips.

I don’t have a PWA reference one way or the other, but my experience/understanding for years has always been that - on a regular line - greenslips do have rotation guarantee as it is published for first 100% (essentially, as if it were straight time/ white slip). The second 100% (the “green” part, if you will) only gets applied after the rotation closes and goes by what is actually flown or rigged in the trip.

Two years ago, I was pulled off from a 4day greenslip on day 3 due to an FAR violation (long duty days). My timecard showed 21:00 at the top in row with the rotation date and number, and then 15:45 on the greenslip section.

I am not certain how reserve green gets paid in your scenario but maybe someone can get a pwa reference or provide input to that realm. I’d imagine it’s just the same (only “green” for what is flown/rigged after the rotation ends).


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