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FangsF15 01-18-2022 07:17 AM


Originally Posted by NJGov (Post 3355032)
I don’t have a PWA reference one way or the other, but my experience/understanding for years has always been that - on a regular line - greenslips do have rotation guarantee as it is published for first 100% (essentially, as if it were straight time/ white slip). The second 100% (the “green” part, if you will) only gets applied after the rotation closes and goes by what is actually flown or rigged in the trip.

Two years ago, I was pulled off from a 4day greenslip on day 3 due to an FAR violation (long duty days). My timecard showed 21:00 at the top in row with the rotation date and number, and then 15:45 on the greenslip section.

I am not certain how reserve green gets paid in your scenario but maybe someone can get a pwa reference or provide input to that realm. I’d imagine it’s just the same (only “green” for what is flown/rigged after the rotation ends).

This is correct.

For reserve, you get only what you fly. If they cut you loose early, you loose pay for that block time, but ADG and trip rigs still apply. Also Res gets nothing for a NOOP, unless you happen to sign in before it NOOPs, in which case you get a whopping 2 hours of suit up pay. But the downside of that is, you then will need 10 hours before you can re-pick up a GS...

This is one of the things I put on my survey - Establish a Reserve rotation guarantee. If I accept a GS based on an expectation, and for company convenience the company cuts me loose early/buys the end for OE, I should still get paid, IMO. Same thing would go for a simple reserve assignment, You get the Credit as soon as it hits your schedule. If you call in sick after a reserve assignment, they will dock your sick bank after all. In the end, make it simple - regardless of Reg/Res/Recovery, you get paid if you pick it up. Probably won't ever happen, but it should.

Rooster435 01-18-2022 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by NJGov (Post 3355032)
I don’t have a PWA reference one way or the other, but my experience/understanding for years has always been that - on a regular line - greenslips do have rotation guarantee as it is published for first 100% (essentially, as if it were straight time/ white slip). The second 100% (the “green” part, if you will) only gets applied after the rotation closes and goes by what is actually flown or rigged in the trip.

Two years ago, I was pulled off from a 4day greenslip on day 3 due to an FAR violation (long duty days). My timecard showed 21:00 at the top in row with the rotation date and number, and then 15:45 on the greenslip section.

I am not certain how reserve green gets paid in your scenario but maybe someone can get a pwa reference or provide input to that realm. I’d imagine it’s just the same (only “green” for what is flown/rigged after the rotation ends).

I am a line holder.

Looking at 4F1 and 4F7 it shows GS as having rotation guarantee. 23U1 talks about double pay no credit for GS rotations. No where do I see a reference to any stipulation that the double pay portion only gets paid as flown. It was built as a 3-day and flown as a 3-day. Just had 2 less legs on the 2nd day.

I certainly could be wrong and there Might be a reference buried somewhere but I couldn’t find it.

Ar Pilot 01-18-2022 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by Rooster435 (Post 3355047)
I am a line holder.

Looking at 4F1 and 4F7 it shows GS as having rotation guarantee. 23U1 talks about double pay no credit for GS rotations. No where do I see a reference to any stipulation that the double pay portion only gets paid as flown. It was built as a 3-day and flown as a 3-day. Just had 2 less legs on the 2nd day.

I certainly could be wrong and there Might be a reference buried somewhere but I couldn’t find it.

PWA 23.U.
1. GS
a. A regular pilot who has flown a GS rotation:



You can further get into the how you want to break down which portion (assuming you're above the GS trigger) gets paid. I prefer the 100% original rotation guarantee + 100% for the rotation you flew. You can go day by day as well, but it all comes out the same.

Rooster435 01-18-2022 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by Ar Pilot (Post 3355220)
PWA 23.U.
1. GS
a. A regular pilot who has flown a GS rotation:



You can further get into the how you want to break down which portion (assuming you're above the GS trigger) gets paid. I prefer the 100% original rotation guarantee + 100% for the rotation you flew. You can go day by day as well, but it all comes out the same.

I interpret that to mean if you don’t fly the rotation you don’t get the double pay. Not that the rotation is only paid for the credit flown. Ive done a lot of green slips and don’t ever recall seeing my GS pay being reduced post rotation when it flew less than scheduled. I’ll update when it gets answered by the Union.

tunes 01-18-2022 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by Ar Pilot (Post 3355220)
PWA 23.U.
1. GS
a. A regular pilot who has flown a GS rotation:



You can further get into the how you want to break down which portion (assuming you're above the GS trigger) gets paid. I prefer the 100% original rotation guarantee + 100% for the rotation you flew. You can go day by day as well, but it all comes out the same.


This is the way


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Rooster435 01-19-2022 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by tunes (Post 3355359)
This is the way


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Thanks Tunes.

I just finished another GS that blocked 30 mins less than scheduled but the GS pay stayed at the original rotation guarantee when it closed. Why was this different than operating less legs on one of the days?

tunes 01-19-2022 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by Rooster435 (Post 3356127)
Thanks Tunes.

I just finished another GS that blocked 30 mins less than scheduled but the GS pay stayed at the original rotation guarantee when it closed. Why was this different than operating less legs on one of the days?

because it probably still paid ADG?

FangsF15 01-19-2022 11:23 PM


Originally Posted by Rooster435 (Post 3356127)
Thanks Tunes.

I just finished another GS that blocked 30 mins less than scheduled but the GS pay stayed at the original rotation guarantee when it closed. Why was this different than operating less legs on one of the days?

Minutes Under?

GucciBoy 01-20-2022 12:09 AM


Originally Posted by Rooster435 (Post 3356127)
Thanks Tunes.

I just finished another GS that blocked 30 mins less than scheduled but the GS pay stayed at the original rotation guarantee when it closed. Why was this different than operating less legs on one of the days?


This is a block-or-better air line. If you fly the leg on a GS, you get paid scheduled block or better. If you don’t fly the leg, it affects the pay accordingly (on a GS).

GogglesPisano 01-20-2022 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by GucciBoy (Post 3356304)
This is a block-or-better air line. If you fly the leg on a GS, you get paid scheduled block or better. If you don’t fly the leg, it affects the pay accordingly (on a GS).

Hmm. I just underblocked on a GS and I'm still getting paid the original rotation guarantee. All rigs still apply.


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