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Originally Posted by NJGov
(Post 3355032)
I don’t have a PWA reference one way or the other, but my experience/understanding for years has always been that - on a regular line - greenslips do have rotation guarantee as it is published for first 100% (essentially, as if it were straight time/ white slip). The second 100% (the “green” part, if you will) only gets applied after the rotation closes and goes by what is actually flown or rigged in the trip.
Two years ago, I was pulled off from a 4day greenslip on day 3 due to an FAR violation (long duty days). My timecard showed 21:00 at the top in row with the rotation date and number, and then 15:45 on the greenslip section. I am not certain how reserve green gets paid in your scenario but maybe someone can get a pwa reference or provide input to that realm. I’d imagine it’s just the same (only “green” for what is flown/rigged after the rotation ends). For reserve, you get only what you fly. If they cut you loose early, you loose pay for that block time, but ADG and trip rigs still apply. Also Res gets nothing for a NOOP, unless you happen to sign in before it NOOPs, in which case you get a whopping 2 hours of suit up pay. But the downside of that is, you then will need 10 hours before you can re-pick up a GS... This is one of the things I put on my survey - Establish a Reserve rotation guarantee. If I accept a GS based on an expectation, and for company convenience the company cuts me loose early/buys the end for OE, I should still get paid, IMO. Same thing would go for a simple reserve assignment, You get the Credit as soon as it hits your schedule. If you call in sick after a reserve assignment, they will dock your sick bank after all. In the end, make it simple - regardless of Reg/Res/Recovery, you get paid if you pick it up. Probably won't ever happen, but it should. |
Originally Posted by NJGov
(Post 3355032)
I don’t have a PWA reference one way or the other, but my experience/understanding for years has always been that - on a regular line - greenslips do have rotation guarantee as it is published for first 100% (essentially, as if it were straight time/ white slip). The second 100% (the “green” part, if you will) only gets applied after the rotation closes and goes by what is actually flown or rigged in the trip.
Two years ago, I was pulled off from a 4day greenslip on day 3 due to an FAR violation (long duty days). My timecard showed 21:00 at the top in row with the rotation date and number, and then 15:45 on the greenslip section. I am not certain how reserve green gets paid in your scenario but maybe someone can get a pwa reference or provide input to that realm. I’d imagine it’s just the same (only “green” for what is flown/rigged after the rotation ends). Looking at 4F1 and 4F7 it shows GS as having rotation guarantee. 23U1 talks about double pay no credit for GS rotations. No where do I see a reference to any stipulation that the double pay portion only gets paid as flown. It was built as a 3-day and flown as a 3-day. Just had 2 less legs on the 2nd day. I certainly could be wrong and there Might be a reference buried somewhere but I couldn’t find it. |
Originally Posted by Rooster435
(Post 3355047)
I am a line holder.
Looking at 4F1 and 4F7 it shows GS as having rotation guarantee. 23U1 talks about double pay no credit for GS rotations. No where do I see a reference to any stipulation that the double pay portion only gets paid as flown. It was built as a 3-day and flown as a 3-day. Just had 2 less legs on the 2nd day. I certainly could be wrong and there Might be a reference buried somewhere but I couldn’t find it. 1. GS a. A regular pilot who has flown a GS rotation: You can further get into the how you want to break down which portion (assuming you're above the GS trigger) gets paid. I prefer the 100% original rotation guarantee + 100% for the rotation you flew. You can go day by day as well, but it all comes out the same. |
Originally Posted by Ar Pilot
(Post 3355220)
PWA 23.U.
1. GS a. A regular pilot who has flown a GS rotation: You can further get into the how you want to break down which portion (assuming you're above the GS trigger) gets paid. I prefer the 100% original rotation guarantee + 100% for the rotation you flew. You can go day by day as well, but it all comes out the same. |
Originally Posted by Ar Pilot
(Post 3355220)
PWA 23.U.
1. GS a. A regular pilot who has flown a GS rotation: You can further get into the how you want to break down which portion (assuming you're above the GS trigger) gets paid. I prefer the 100% original rotation guarantee + 100% for the rotation you flew. You can go day by day as well, but it all comes out the same. This is the way Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by tunes
(Post 3355359)
This is the way
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I just finished another GS that blocked 30 mins less than scheduled but the GS pay stayed at the original rotation guarantee when it closed. Why was this different than operating less legs on one of the days? |
Originally Posted by Rooster435
(Post 3356127)
Thanks Tunes.
I just finished another GS that blocked 30 mins less than scheduled but the GS pay stayed at the original rotation guarantee when it closed. Why was this different than operating less legs on one of the days? |
Originally Posted by Rooster435
(Post 3356127)
Thanks Tunes.
I just finished another GS that blocked 30 mins less than scheduled but the GS pay stayed at the original rotation guarantee when it closed. Why was this different than operating less legs on one of the days? |
Originally Posted by Rooster435
(Post 3356127)
Thanks Tunes.
I just finished another GS that blocked 30 mins less than scheduled but the GS pay stayed at the original rotation guarantee when it closed. Why was this different than operating less legs on one of the days? This is a block-or-better air line. If you fly the leg on a GS, you get paid scheduled block or better. If you don’t fly the leg, it affects the pay accordingly (on a GS). |
Originally Posted by GucciBoy
(Post 3356304)
This is a block-or-better air line. If you fly the leg on a GS, you get paid scheduled block or better. If you don’t fly the leg, it affects the pay accordingly (on a GS).
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