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Falcon20 08-15-2021 10:34 AM

So I saw a rotation that I wanted as a greenie and was covered by my standing request. I was never called and they rerouted a guy to do the flights. I can’t remember what the rotation number was so how do you submit it to the union?

sailingfun 08-15-2021 10:57 AM

[QUOTE=Falcon20;3279920]So I saw a rotation that I wanted as a greenie and was covered by my standing request. I was never called and they rerouted a guy to do the flights. I can’t remember what the rotation number was so how do you submit it to the union?

If the rotation was known less than 14 hours before departure it might have been legal to cover with a reroute. The fact they built it as a rotation does not preclude them from doing so. If the rotation was a bid package rotation plug in a flight number for any leg and you can search the bid package. If it was a created rotation it’s going to be a bit harder and will require union help. It is possible that you can pull up the rerouted rotation and the remarks will mention the original rotation number. With that info you can see the rotation history and timeline in Icrew.

Falcon20 08-15-2021 11:14 AM

[QUOTE=sailingfun;3279932]

Originally Posted by Falcon20 (Post 3279920)
So I saw a rotation that I wanted as a greenie and was covered by my standing request. I was never called and they rerouted a guy to do the flights. I can’t remember what the rotation number was so how do you submit it to the union?

If the rotation was known less than 14 hours before departure it might have been legal to cover with a reroute. The fact they built it as a rotation does not preclude them from doing so. If the rotation was a bid package rotation plug in a flight number for any leg and you can search the bid package. If it was a created rotation it’s going to be a bit harder and will require union help. It is possible that you can pull up the rerouted rotation and the remarks will mention the original rotation number. With that info you can see the rotation history and timeline in Icrew.

Thanks I was able to find it by plugging rotation numbers in until I found it as it was a created rotation. I don’t know how to get the rotation history in icrew. Any advice?

sailingfun 08-15-2021 11:23 AM

[QUOTE=Falcon20;3279939]

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3279932)

Thanks I was able to find it by plugging rotation numbers in until I found it as it was a created rotation. I don’t know how to get the rotation history in icrew. Any advice?

In Icrew go to schedules, open time menu, open time, pilot history. Before clicking pilot history you need to fill out the second data Field. It’s a bit confusing.

Falcon20 08-15-2021 11:32 AM

[QUOTE=sailingfun;3279943]

Originally Posted by Falcon20 (Post 3279939)

In Icrew go to schedules, open time menu, open time, pilot history. Before clicking pilot history you need to fill out the second data Field. It’s a bit confusing.

I wouldn’t have been able to find it. Thanks

DenVa 08-15-2021 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 3279733)
I agree 100%. I know the contract pretty well and catch scheduling assigning illegal rotations on a regular basis. Last month I had 2, and this month I've had 2 so far. Every time I get an illegal rotation, I call scheduling and tell them. 99% of the time they deny it's illegal and come up with some poor reason why it was assigned. I keep pushing and tell them the exact section in the contract it violated. After that, they always agree, and pay me..I think Delta mgmt tells them to initially deny all illegal rotations when a pilot calls, Putting an ALPA rep in scheduling does nothing for Delta pilots except take money out of our pockets..He helps the company occasionally avoid an illegal rotation.

Why were they illegal? Don’t think I’ve ever had one. I guess I need to review the language.

hockeypilot44 08-15-2021 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by DenVa (Post 3279969)
Why were they illegal? Don’t think I’ve ever had one. I guess I need to review the language.

One of more common ones that I've seen are deadheads back to base. It has to be on first legal flight. I've seen a lot of rotations where deadhead back is third or fourth illegal flight. Most extreme was a 24 hour layover in CMH before deadheading back to ATL. Due to New York being 3 domiciles, they are required to ground transport you to another airport if it can get you back earlier.

3 green 08-15-2021 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by DenVa (Post 3279969)
Why were they illegal? Don’t think I’ve ever had one. I guess I need to review the language.

4F1C the last 2 months

LumberJack 08-15-2021 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3279769)
There is a big, big difference in what the line pilot can see, and what ALPA can see. Big. Huge.

​​​​My point was that line pilots have access to more information at other airlines. This makes it much easier to spot shenanigans.

Gspeed 08-16-2021 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by LumberJack (Post 3280105)
​​​​My point was that line pilots have access to more information at other airlines. This makes it much easier to spot shenanigans.

Bingo.

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