Prepare Yourselves… 2022 AEs
09-13-2022, 07:19 AM
#2791
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Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 295
Originally Posted by palooza
First off I like the PB days and reserve GS system as is…but…
If we did away with the PB days would the company just be able to get less volunteers for GS since reserves are much less likely to give up more days off? Where does the coverage go in that instance? Wouldn’t we see a lot more IA/OOBGS/GSWC if staffing didn’t improve? Just thinking about where they cover trips if PB days disappear for some reason. Is it possible it makes it even harder to cover down? Educate me on why that wouldn’t be the case, I’m just spitballing here
If we did away with the PB days would the company just be able to get less volunteers for GS since reserves are much less likely to give up more days off? Where does the coverage go in that instance? Wouldn’t we see a lot more IA/OOBGS/GSWC if staffing didn’t improve? Just thinking about where they cover trips if PB days disappear for some reason. Is it possible it makes it even harder to cover down? Educate me on why that wouldn’t be the case, I’m just spitballing here
09-13-2022, 08:46 AM
#2792
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 5,414
Originally Posted by BCan
they would need to incentivize reserve pilots to fly on a day off with no PB. IDK, 300%, 400% pay? Your point is valid, I already turn down plenty of reserve GSs with the current contract, no PBs and I’ll just watch lines get cnx’d.
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09-13-2022, 09:43 AM
#2793
Rodeo clown
Joined APC: Feb 2017
Position: Tractor seat
Posts: 703
Don't underestimate the company's ability to make a mess of it even if we did give up PB days for reserve GS, no matter what the pay multiplier might be. They would still run the operation into a ditch via many reserves maxed out via FAR 117 and still fail to see their own hand in the operational problems and come back asking for more. Once the reserves that live in base (or are willing to commute in) hit the FAR 117 limits, the fourth floor fraternity would come asking for something else to bail them out like, "All pilots must promptly respond for IA calls because too many won't work for the 'family' on their days off."
We shouldn't double down on bad "leadership" decisions by bailing them out and enabling worse future behavior. Preserving a QOL backstop for reserves (whether you bid reserve or not), or protecting the brand (and our jobs) from cubicle ninjas with spreadsheets shouldn't be that hard of a no vote. One caveat: because everything has a price (just ask JB), I would be willing to allow some pilots to opt in for no PB days for an upfront price of fully funded pensions at 60% FAE for anyone over 60 and with 15 years of service or three years remaining until 60, oh, and Tesla's (or electric Miatas for "that" crowd) as a signing bonus for anyone not eligible for the pension during the contract duration. BUT, you have to bid reserve for the contract duration. Too low a price?
We shouldn't double down on bad "leadership" decisions by bailing them out and enabling worse future behavior. Preserving a QOL backstop for reserves (whether you bid reserve or not), or protecting the brand (and our jobs) from cubicle ninjas with spreadsheets shouldn't be that hard of a no vote. One caveat: because everything has a price (just ask JB), I would be willing to allow some pilots to opt in for no PB days for an upfront price of fully funded pensions at 60% FAE for anyone over 60 and with 15 years of service or three years remaining until 60, oh, and Tesla's (or electric Miatas for "that" crowd) as a signing bonus for anyone not eligible for the pension during the contract duration. BUT, you have to bid reserve for the contract duration. Too low a price?
09-13-2022, 09:54 AM
#2794
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,226
Originally Posted by palooza
First off I like the PB days and reserve GS system as is…but…
If we did away with the PB days would the company just be able to get less volunteers for GS since reserves are much less likely to give up more days off? Where does the coverage go in that instance? Wouldn’t we see a lot more IA/OOBGS/GSWC if staffing didn’t improve? Just thinking about where they cover trips if PB days disappear for some reason. Is it possible it makes it even harder to cover down? Educate me on why that wouldn’t be the case, I’m just spitballing here
If we did away with the PB days would the company just be able to get less volunteers for GS since reserves are much less likely to give up more days off? Where does the coverage go in that instance? Wouldn’t we see a lot more IA/OOBGS/GSWC if staffing didn’t improve? Just thinking about where they cover trips if PB days disappear for some reason. Is it possible it makes it even harder to cover down? Educate me on why that wouldn’t be the case, I’m just spitballing here
PB days leads to less reserve coverage and more GS for all. They can fix there own mess by adequately staffing and building less fatiguing rotations.
09-13-2022, 10:59 AM
#2795
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Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,110
Why are people wondering if reserve pilots would pick up GS’s on off days?
Pay it double just like a line holder and that will solve the issue.
Line holders pickup endless GS’s on off days and they actually have to fly their entire lines to get the trigger.
Pay it double just like a line holder and that will solve the issue.
Line holders pickup endless GS’s on off days and they actually have to fly their entire lines to get the trigger.
09-13-2022, 11:14 AM
#2796
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Position: Hoping for any position
Posts: 2,505
Originally Posted by palooza
First off I like the PB days and reserve GS system as is…but…
If we did away with the PB days would the company just be able to get less volunteers for GS since reserves are much less likely to give up more days off? Where does the coverage go in that instance? Wouldn’t we see a lot more IA/OOBGS/GSWC if staffing didn’t improve? Just thinking about where they cover trips if PB days disappear for some reason. Is it possible it makes it even harder to cover down? Educate me on why that wouldn’t be the case, I’m just spitballing here
If we did away with the PB days would the company just be able to get less volunteers for GS since reserves are much less likely to give up more days off? Where does the coverage go in that instance? Wouldn’t we see a lot more IA/OOBGS/GSWC if staffing didn’t improve? Just thinking about where they cover trips if PB days disappear for some reason. Is it possible it makes it even harder to cover down? Educate me on why that wouldn’t be the case, I’m just spitballing here
09-13-2022, 12:46 PM
#2797
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Joined APC: Jan 2014
Posts: 1,892
Originally Posted by marcal
Why are people wondering if reserve pilots would pick up GS’s on off days?
Pay it double just like a line holder and that will solve the issue.
Line holders pickup endless GS’s on off days and they actually have to fly their entire lines to get the trigger.
Pay it double just like a line holder and that will solve the issue.
Line holders pickup endless GS’s on off days and they actually have to fly their entire lines to get the trigger.
09-13-2022, 01:00 PM
#2798
Roll’n Thunder
Joined APC: Oct 2009
Position: Pilot
Posts: 3,557
Originally Posted by marcal
Why are people wondering if reserve pilots would pick up GS’s on off days?
Pay it double just like a line holder and that will solve the issue.
Line holders pickup endless GS’s on off days and they actually have to fly their entire lines to get the trigger.
Pay it double just like a line holder and that will solve the issue.
Line holders pickup endless GS’s on off days and they actually have to fly their entire lines to get the trigger.
09-13-2022, 04:40 PM
#2799
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Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 4,217
Originally Posted by tennisguru
Except line holders can hit the trigger with 13 ish days of work. Reserves are working on call 16 ish days a month before any GS flying clogs up days off even more.
09-13-2022, 07:58 PM
#2800
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Joined APC: Mar 2019
Posts: 933
Originally Posted by FangsF15
Exactly. Totally different situation. AND they can fly Reserve up to ALV+15 on Reserve. NFW.
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