$110,000 bonuses for Endeavor pilots…..
03-05-2022, 04:15 AM
#23
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
We should be encouraging the flight attendants to unionize. If them being non-union is going to hurt our negotiating position, it's time for them go be union.
Im not at all opposed to the FAs being treated well and comped well but, I don’t want them unionized solely for the power they would legally wield. It doesn’t take much to look around the industry and see that one reason other airlines that have issues are in part due to unions among multiple labor groups. They almost never win their battles and take so much focus away from actually running a business. They protect terrible employees and empower them as well. Look at what just happened at UAL yesterday! Two awful FAs got fired and sued and won 2M! They were awful bc they didn’t have to be good. It was almost impossible to get rid of them and when they did they sued and won.
And yes, I want and like our union.
And yes, this makes me a hypocrite and I know it.
Still don’t want them unionized.
03-05-2022, 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by StickPig
Absolutely interesting. I think it’s the same hooks AAG set in their WO feeds, ensuring they keep their own through flow, rather than put a time stamp on it and risk losing a body to another major.
03-05-2022, 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
Several of us have been promoting this since the beginning of COVID when management forgot what a SIL was. #optics I discuss the benefits of an FA union when presented the opportunity. The 30 second elevator pitch is simple.
Domestic flying keeps 3-4 FAs working in the cabin.
International flying leads to 8 FAs working the cabin.
Next I point out how much international scope DALPA has given away.
The light comes on really quick when I point out international scope is only 1 additional pilot job (3 pilots vs 2) but 4 additional FA jobs (8 vs 4).
Scope is more important to FA jobs than pilot jobs. They need a union that will fight for it!
Domestic flying keeps 3-4 FAs working in the cabin.
International flying leads to 8 FAs working the cabin.
Next I point out how much international scope DALPA has given away.
The light comes on really quick when I point out international scope is only 1 additional pilot job (3 pilots vs 2) but 4 additional FA jobs (8 vs 4).
Scope is more important to FA jobs than pilot jobs. They need a union that will fight for it!
03-05-2022, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by marcal
When the FAs who don’t make a lot and can completely replace their salary outside of DL easily threaten to strike and raise a stink after they’re unionized you’ll wish that they had stayed non union and have your couple of percent back.
Im not at all opposed to the FAs being treated well and comped well but, I don’t want them unionized solely for the power they would legally wield. It doesn’t take much to look around the industry and see that one reason other airlines that have issues are in part due to unions among multiple labor groups. They almost never win their battles and take so much focus away from actually running a business. They protect terrible employees and empower them as well. Look at what just happened at UAL yesterday! Two awful FAs got fired and sued and won 2M! They were awful bc they didn’t have to be good. It was almost impossible to get rid of them and when they did they sued and won.
And yes, I want and like our union.
And yes, this makes me a hypocrite and I know it.
Still don’t want them unionized.
Im not at all opposed to the FAs being treated well and comped well but, I don’t want them unionized solely for the power they would legally wield. It doesn’t take much to look around the industry and see that one reason other airlines that have issues are in part due to unions among multiple labor groups. They almost never win their battles and take so much focus away from actually running a business. They protect terrible employees and empower them as well. Look at what just happened at UAL yesterday! Two awful FAs got fired and sued and won 2M! They were awful bc they didn’t have to be good. It was almost impossible to get rid of them and when they did they sued and won.
And yes, I want and like our union.
And yes, this makes me a hypocrite and I know it.
Still don’t want them unionized.
AA's FA union recently grabbed the company by the balls and refused to do full service "because covid". Now first class meals are thrown at the passengers wrapped in plastic on the one and only service during a 4 hour flight.
Delta has the best FAs in the business and there's a big reason for that. They have to care and perform or they are out. It should stay that way.
03-05-2022, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
Thread creep but go fly AA or UAL if you don't believe this. Surly FAs who don't give a crap because they know they can't [easily] be fired.
AA's FA union recently grabbed the company by the balls and refused to do full service "because covid". Now first class meals are thrown at the passengers wrapped in plastic on the one and only service during a 4 hour flight.
Delta has the best FAs in the business and there's a big reason for that. They have to care and perform or they are out. It should stay that way.
AA's FA union recently grabbed the company by the balls and refused to do full service "because covid". Now first class meals are thrown at the passengers wrapped in plastic on the one and only service during a 4 hour flight.
Delta has the best FAs in the business and there's a big reason for that. They have to care and perform or they are out. It should stay that way.
03-05-2022, 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
rant on/ Guess it is time to get rid of the pilots union too. Plenty of bad pilots get protected by the union, and guess what, that is a safety issue, not a quality of service issue. The hypocrisy of right-wing anti-union union-pilots is absolutely insane. We need a union because management, but none of that for the others, because it might impact my PS check. /rant over
03-05-2022, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by marcal
When the FAs who don’t make a lot and can completely replace their salary outside of DL easily threaten to strike and raise a stink after they’re unionized you’ll wish that they had stayed non union and have your couple of percent back.
Im not at all opposed to the FAs being treated well and comped well but, I don’t want them unionized solely for the power they would legally wield. It doesn’t take much to look around the industry and see that one reason other airlines that have issues are in part due to unions among multiple labor groups. They almost never win their battles and take so much focus away from actually running a business. They protect terrible employees and empower them as well. Look at what just happened at UAL yesterday! Two awful FAs got fired and sued and won 2M! They were awful bc they didn’t have to be good. It was almost impossible to get rid of them and when they did they sued and won.
And yes, I want and like our union.
And yes, this makes me a hypocrite and I know it.
Still don’t want them unionized.
Im not at all opposed to the FAs being treated well and comped well but, I don’t want them unionized solely for the power they would legally wield. It doesn’t take much to look around the industry and see that one reason other airlines that have issues are in part due to unions among multiple labor groups. They almost never win their battles and take so much focus away from actually running a business. They protect terrible employees and empower them as well. Look at what just happened at UAL yesterday! Two awful FAs got fired and sued and won 2M! They were awful bc they didn’t have to be good. It was almost impossible to get rid of them and when they did they sued and won.
And yes, I want and like our union.
And yes, this makes me a hypocrite and I know it.
Still don’t want them unionized.
and what part of the age discrimination suit being upheld by a jury has anything to do with them being part of a union?
03-05-2022, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
The difference is that a union contract protects a pilot when they refuse something on safety grounds and stop the operation. That's the biggest benefit to unionized pilots. I'm sure there's a reason why the Delta pilots are the only unionized group in the company. Supply and demand determines pilot pay. This is why contract battles are so stressful and drawn out.
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