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Old 03-21-2022 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by buckleyboy
Another positive to consider is the disability benefit. None of us ever wants to think about it, but God forbid we end up on disability, the higher 12 month look back is a plus.
But as has been said ad nauseum and is very true, to each their own, butt for every seat, etc etc etc
That is a very good point. For the truly "super junior" Captains we've seen lately, that's almost always the way to go especially for that benefit. But most pretty senior FO's can pump their earnings pretty hard during some sliding 12 in 36. 150-170 hours a month has gone to some without stellar seniority just because they were willing to do more work on iCrew than they did turning wheels.

As an aside I'd like to see a more balanced out disability benefit for all than what we have but the lure of the "good deal" however rare it is will likely continue to win out.
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Old 03-21-2022 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Der Meister
While true for some. I also know many like myself that would rather enjoy our young age and good health and get out and do things other than work. Working you entire life until you finally retire so you can actually live sounds very unappealing to many people my age. I'd rather enjoy my youth and maybe work a year or to extra to pay for it when I'm older. But like I said to each their own.
Perhaps I didn't finish my train of thought. Take the early A, invest the six figure raise for two or three years, then enjoy a decade of WB B. Banking a large amount early in your career will give you a world of options well before retirement.

You sound like a good candidate for FIRE. Try on some real estate for size. I think you would like the fit. A few well placed $$ will change your life in 5-10 years.

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Old 03-21-2022 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Der Meister
While true for some. I also know many like myself that would rather enjoy our young age and good health and get out and do things other than work. Working you entire life until you finally retire so you can actually live sounds very unappealing to many people my age. I'd rather enjoy my youth and maybe work a year or to extra to pay for it when I'm older. But like I said to each their own.

This right here! I lost my old man last year after sudden/short battle with cancer. He was 65 years old and 1 year into retirement. This has significantly changed my views on life. Our biggest mistake is assuming we have time... Save for retirement, but don't forget to live your life now, we don't know what's around the corner.
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Old 03-21-2022 | 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
Perhaps I didn't finish my train of thought. Take the early A, invest the six figure raise for two or three years, then enjoy a decade of WB B. Banking a large amount early in your career will give you a world of options well before retirement.

You sound like a good candidate for FIRE. Try on some real estate for size. I think you would like the fit. A few well placed $$ will change your life in 5-10 years.

-signed healthy active and semi-retired 50yr old
Sounds nice but its way to big of a QOL hit these days. I'm at 50% on a NB and hate my life. I couldn't imagine going to NB A. It's WB B or bust for me until they fix these trips. The way they have them built now I won't make it to 60.
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Old 03-21-2022 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
This right here! I lost my old man last year after sudden/short battle with cancer. He was 65 years old and 1 year into retirement. This has significantly changed my views on life. Our biggest mistake is assuming we have time... Save for retirement, but don't forget to live your life now, we don't know what's around the corner.
sorry for your loss crewdawg. I have learned similar lesson about life. Time with your loved ones is so important. Cant get those years back, there is always more work and more money but not time.
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Old 03-21-2022 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by StartngOvr
This does seem to be true. I will say though it’s something I truly do not understand nor will I ever get my head around. If you never intend to command an aircraft why would you even enter the profession? I just don’t get it.


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Old 03-21-2022 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Der Meister
Sounds nice but its way to big of a QOL hit these days. I'm at 50% on a NB and hate my life. I couldn't imagine going to NB A. It's WB B or bust for me until they fix these trips. The way they have them built now I won't make it to 60.
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I don't imagine junior NB A is much worse than 50% NB B. The entirety of NB land is a QOL train wreck. If your seniority will hold WB B, skipping NB A sounds good. The early A theory is more suitable for first or second year at DL
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Old 03-21-2022 | 06:40 PM
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I don't imagine junior NB A is much worse than 50% NB B. The entirety of NB land is a QOL train wreck. If your seniority will hold WB B, skipping NB A sounds good. The early A theory is more suitable for first or second year at DL
agreed unfortunately they haven't replaced a WB in SLC yet and im not willing to commute to NYC for it.
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Old 03-21-2022 | 08:37 PM
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It really does depend on your longevity and fleet. I’m a senior 7ER FO on 12 year scale. Routinely bid with LCA. Some months they all get bought and some months one or none. But the ones where you do get bought off you are already at GS trigger and a couple GS and you can rack up some high credit months. I need to make around 109 hours in the right seat to equal a reserve CA on 7ER which is where I would be at 95 percent. That has been easily doable with alot less work than a Junior Captain. Only worked 13 days so far this year with the majority of those being GS. Granted I did have a week of vacation in January and February. Tomorrow is my first real bid packet trip since early December. Just not worth it for me yet to make the move. I’d at least like to be a line holder with weekends off. So I’ll probably be waiting a while longer which is fine with me. If I could hold CA at 4 to 5 year scale I think it would be worth it without too much hit in quality of life. Just wasn’t an option for me.
I agree with the mentality that everyone has their little corner of DAL. Yours sounds quite nice, but how many can do what you do? 5 per base, per fleet? Don’t take that as criticism in any way. Same goes for Trip and his Caribbean turns on the 73, sounds great, but few get to execute that life. The good deal situations don’t move. Not a lot of top 10% in seat moving unless forced. We are all just trying to find our corners. It will be interesting watching the generational shift at the airline, and every where else, to see how behaviors change. Contracts, pay, pandemics, aging, kids and new fleets will force everyone to adapt.

It’s one of the things I love about this job is flying with people with all sorts of situations that make this career work. It’s also why giving out advice is so hard… well giving seems to come easy. But actually saying what works for people totally depends, and then … reroute.
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Old 03-21-2022 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by StartngOvr
This does seem to be true. I will say though it’s something I truly do not understand nor will I ever get my head around. If you never intend to command an aircraft why would you even enter the profession? I just don’t get it.
I’m one of those people, I think. The thought of being a captain holds almost no appeal for me, outside of the (significant) pay raise. I’m very comfortable with the extra responsibility, but it’s not anything I yearn for. I think I just don’t view the captain position these days as one of true “command”. I acknowledge and respect people who view the left seat as something more than I do, I just view it differently I guess.

I’m really just here to make as much money as I can while working as few days as I can. I haven’t found a better career that’s accessible to me for the time/money, so here I remain
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