Any "Latest & Greatest about Delta?" Part 2
11-19-2025 | 06:03 AM
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The old fashioned way was a scheduler would call ONE person, you wouldn't pick up and they'd leave a message saying you have been awarded such and such trip and if you don't call back in 10 minutes or acknowledge on icrew, they will move to the next person. Then you'd login to icrew, look at the trip and decide if you liked it or not.
Essentially it was a batch size of 1 with auto-accept.
The hate for auto-accept amongst pilots is blowing my mind.
Whiteslips becoming a proffer is more of an issue, but the company agreed to that in the last contract for some reason, so that's not our problem.
Essentially it was a batch size of 1 with auto-accept.
The hate for auto-accept amongst pilots is blowing my mind.
Whiteslips becoming a proffer is more of an issue, but the company agreed to that in the last contract for some reason, so that's not our problem.
11-19-2025 | 06:26 AM
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I think making it easier to input slips with with qualifiers would go a long way to helping. It would also be a huge help if they made it easier to turn on/off slips without having to delete them. Another crazy thought is to allow slips to carry over month/month so we don't have to reinvent the wheel every month. So many options that would help this problem other than giving away more stuff.
11-19-2025 | 06:34 AM
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QS fixes many of the issues you describe anyway. They’ll run a single 12-minute window. The most senior pilot who manually selects the trip will be obligated to fly it. One pilot will be paid double pay (if REG), another M7 pilot will be paid single pay. Coverage will be over in 15 minutes or less.
Expensive for the company? Yes. Our problem? No. Should we be solving any of the company’s problems for them right before section 6? Absolutely not.
11-19-2025 | 06:53 AM
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the difference is the majority of pilots back then would have in slips with qualifiers and not have in OOBWS in every base fishing. personally I'd just usually answer the phone when they called and they would tell me the trip and i'd decide right then if i wanted it or not. when i said no the move on immediately. we never had these issues. but that being said, i still blame all this on the company since they wanted ARCOS lol
Slips, with or without qualifiers and/or auto-accept, are a negotiated contractual benefit. Any pilot here can use that benefit any way they desire.
That freedom and flexibility is a substantial piece of our contract’s overall value. We’d be insane to forfeit any of it to the company for free. (Not directing that at you personally.)
11-19-2025 | 07:00 AM
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That’s also back when a RES pilot could expect no more than 1-3 involuntary short calls in a month. Neither side can blame the other for fully utilizing what the contract allows.
Slips, with or without qualifiers and/or auto-accept, are a negotiated contractual benefit. Any pilot here can use that benefit any way they desire.
That freedom and flexibility is a substantial piece of our contract’s overall value. We’d be insane to forfeit any of it to the company for free. (Not directing that at you personally.)
Slips, with or without qualifiers and/or auto-accept, are a negotiated contractual benefit. Any pilot here can use that benefit any way they desire.
That freedom and flexibility is a substantial piece of our contract’s overall value. We’d be insane to forfeit any of it to the company for free. (Not directing that at you personally.)
11-19-2025 | 07:02 AM
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I think making it easier to input slips with with qualifiers would go a long way to helping. It would also be a huge help if they made it easier to turn on/off slips without having to delete them. Another crazy thought is to allow slips to carry over month/month so we don't have to reinvent the wheel every month. So many options that would help this problem other than giving away more stuff.
11-19-2025 | 07:16 AM
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Get rid of auto-accept. The middle of the night phone calls never bothered me. You could always take out your GS to avoid calls. I don’t see any possible way to cover trips in a timely manner if they can’t call multiple pilots at once. This obviously means someone will get a call for a trip he/she can’t hold.
Now everyone gets called for IA’s that are usually already covered.
Now everyone gets called for IA’s that are usually already covered.
11-19-2025 | 07:26 AM
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There is a good post on FB where a pilot/former schedudler lays out what crew scheduling staffing looked like with a 7,500 pilot airline, compared to today with a 17,000 pilot airline. Spoiler alert, we're currently running with 50% of the schedulers we had with a 7,500 pilot airline. Fix that, automate the coverage process and use batch sizes, then a vast majority of these issues go away. Let's start there before giving away yet another thing we fought to get.
Dang it there I go solving company problems. I'll get back to profiting from them.
11-19-2025 | 07:33 AM
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Say it again only louder! This isn't a PWA, ARCOS, Auto accept, etc problem. This disaster lies squarely in the lap of CS for inadequate staffing and training. The company's psych profiles of 17,500 pilots tells them we are problem solvers. This isn't our problem, but management is happy to let us think it is. I've said this numerous times. A trained monkey that clicks "cover' when trip enters open time and another one trained to click "next" every 12 minutes after the ARCOS call would improve trip coverage dramatically. They are letting the problem grow hoping we fix it with PWA concessions.
Dang it there I go solving company problems. I'll get back to profiting from them.
Dang it there I go solving company problems. I'll get back to profiting from them.
11-19-2025 | 08:02 AM
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The old fashioned way was a scheduler would call ONE person, you wouldn't pick up and they'd leave a message saying you have been awarded such and such trip and if you don't call back in 10 minutes or acknowledge on icrew, they will move to the next person. Then you'd login to icrew, look at the trip and decide if you liked it or not.
Essentially it was a batch size of 1 with auto-accept.
The hate for auto-accept amongst pilots is blowing my mind.
Whiteslips becoming a proffer is more of an issue, but the company agreed to that in the last contract for some reason, so that's not our problem.
Essentially it was a batch size of 1 with auto-accept.
The hate for auto-accept amongst pilots is blowing my mind.
Whiteslips becoming a proffer is more of an issue, but the company agreed to that in the last contract for some reason, so that's not our problem.
Both WS and GS worked the same way. You got called, the trip was yours if you answered. Under TA2, the company got "batch processing" for GS and WS (under trip coverage) When GS went to ARCOS, the company probably wanted to run WS under trip coverage the same way, it just took them longer to implement it. Shocking, I know.
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