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Old 03-08-2026 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
In my opinion, they should be running a QS for any trip that is 6 hours out or less. Give commuters a chance and gets the trips covered. Unless they don't have the schedulers to do it...
LC = 18 Hour Callout
SC = 6 Hour Callout
GS/QS/IA = Anything <6 hours

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Old 03-08-2026 | 01:11 PM
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Its almost like they don't want QS to work, or don't care if trips are covered but that doesn't make sense.
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Old 03-08-2026 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyweight
Its almost like they don't want QS to work, or don't care if trips are covered but that doesn't make sense.
Based on the reliability letters and the most recent NYC CPO Newsletter, I'm guessing the company really wants QS to work so they can reinstate the sick lookback.
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Old 03-08-2026 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by HockeyGuy
Based on the reliability letters and the most recent NYC CPO Newsletter, I'm guessing the company really wants QS to work so they can reinstate the sick lookback.
The joke is on them once the worst flu season in 25 years ends, the 15% increase in sick calls vanishes, and management credits reinstatement of lookback for all of it.
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Old 03-08-2026 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PowderPilot2016
We can argue all we want about how we got here and whose fault it is but we are here. Both sides need to fix it.
No. It's 100% management's problem to fix. It's not even an argument, because objectively, it was their decision to run things this way. Get the pilot vs pilot narrative out of here.

1) We used to have double the number of schedulers when we had 7k pilots. It was the company's choice to cut back.

2) We have VAS available in the contract for them to use, but a scheduling manager said their system doesn't let them utilize them. It's the company's choice to not update DBMS.

3) c19 used to have no auto accept, manual human callouts to one pilot at a time, and batch sizes limited based on waking hours. It was the company's choice to ditch all this and move to ARCOS enabled unlimited batch sizes with auto accept.

4) We have PBS premium rotations and premium reserve options in the contract, which would lessen what people want to drop and swap to clear their schedule, but it's the company's choice not to pay for any of that either.

How are both sides responsible for this again? I see 100% management choices here.
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Old 03-08-2026 | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Converting soft contractual items to pay rates is a fool's errand
Wise words we should remember.

Just like PS, once they are “incorporated” into pay rates they are gone forever under ladder bargaining.

The negotiators were brilliant in getting all the soft pay adds last contract; it materially raises our pay while not making the bottom line pay raises an issue for the non-contract employees. Of course the company could avoid much of this soft pay by avoiding the behavior it was designed to reduce, but they haven’t/can’t/won’t.

Old 03-08-2026 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Jp8burner
Wise words we should remember.

Just like PS, once they are “incorporated” into pay rates they are gone forever under ladder bargaining.

The negotiators were brilliant in getting all the soft pay adds last contract; it materially raises our pay while not making the bottom line pay raises an issue for the non-contract employees. Of course the company could avoid much of this soft pay by avoiding the behavior it was designed to reduce, but they haven’t/can’t/won’t.
Soft pay is pretty much non existent on the WB side. Ergo it doesn't benefit all pilots

Getting much larger hourly pay, more and better pay banding ( especially NB side) getting vacay = ADG benefits all of us
You got your soft pay, time to work for the entire pilot group this contract
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Old 03-08-2026 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
Soft pay is pretty much non existent on the WB side. Ergo it doesn't benefit all pilots

Getting much larger hourly pay, more and better pay banding ( especially NB side) getting vacay = ADG benefits all of us
You got your soft pay, time to work for the entire pilot group this contract
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Old 03-08-2026 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
Soft pay is pretty much non existent on the WB side. Ergo it doesn't benefit all pilots

You got your soft pay, time to work for the entire pilot group this contract
Didn't the A330 and 765 both get raises about the standard raises to bring their pay up to the A350 rate? I think that was a 3% bump that the other airplanes never got..
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Old 03-08-2026 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
Is this true? How?
im struggling to find it but it was in one of the emails mid to late 2025 IIRC. From what I remember we are flying about 2% more block hours with significantly more pilots. We are only flying 7% more seats than 2019 (275m seats vs 298m in 2025) and that’s with getting rid of several smaller aircraft (m88/90, 737-7, some 320s, 763s, and 717s) and replacing them with larger ones (739, 321s 339/359s)

Originally Posted by Abouttime2fish
The difference being the pilot group was willing to get ‘er done for premium pay. Then flight ops destroyed the delta difference.

What’s a SIL
the optimizer
LCA trip releases
PB days
reliability letters
sick call witch hunts
And more….

I definitely think there is some merit to the idea pilots were far more willing to jump in 2019 than now. In addition to all the great points you made, 2019 was the first year of its kind in awhile, make hay while the sun shines. But after years of making hay, the urgency to chase that next dollar is just not always there.
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