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flightlessbirds 09-25-2024 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by cencal83406 (Post 3839732)
except in international ops where they have to use a new flight number to run the same city pair twice that day.

think “DAL26 EDI-JFK” becoming “DAL9974 EDI-JFK” + 1 day

that’s delayed operations.

But be careful … if you were scheduled for DL101 on D+1 and they give that flight to a different crew and give you DL101 on D+2, for instance, regardless of if that flight is delayed, it ^is^ a reroute but they will claim it as delayed operations.


LeineLodge 09-25-2024 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by cencal83406 (Post 3839732)
except in international ops where they have to use a new flight number to run the same city pair twice that day.

think “DAL26 EDI-JFK” becoming “DAL9974 EDI-JFK” + 1 day

that’s delayed operations.

Thanks.

It was an intl flight. First flight was canceled. Then they rebuilt the following day with a new #

Is this intl exception written somewhere?

Ar Pilot 09-25-2024 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by cencal83406 (Post 3839732)
except in international ops where they have to use a new flight number to run the same city pair twice that day.

think “DAL26 EDI-JFK” becoming “DAL9974 EDI-JFK” + 1 day

that’s delayed operations.

Yep. Stub Flight and Extra Section in the FOM are good reads on this subject.

Once the flight is delayed beyond the scheduled departure day, they will substitute that flight number with a different flight number and mark it as an extra section for the following day. If there is the same flight number that day it will be designated a Stub flight and have a new flight number as well. Both instances are late operations and not reroutes.

flightlessbirds 09-25-2024 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 3839743)
Thanks.

It was an intl flight. First flight was canceled. Then they rebuilt the following day with a new #

Is this intl exception written somewhere?


If it was actually cancelled, then it is a reroute.

LeineLodge 09-25-2024 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by flightlessbirds (Post 3839745)
If it was actually cancelled, then it is a reroute.

Great. Thanks for the references also.

cencal83406 09-25-2024 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by flightlessbirds (Post 3839745)
If it was actually cancelled, then it is a reroute.

not necessarily. If they cancel it and say “will operate as xxxx/yy” it’s not a reroute.

LeineLodge 09-25-2024 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by cencal83406 (Post 3839750)
not necessarily. If they cancel it and say “will operate as xxxx/yy” it’s not a reroute.

Rotation remarks say “PILOTS NOW RON AND BAL DUE XLD xxxx/yy”

We operated the original route the next day on a new (stub) flight #

Is there a PWA or SRH reference that clarifies any of this?

Scoop 09-26-2024 02:07 PM

If you use MYCREW to call in well on day 3 of a 3 day - I would assume you are charged the full 3 day rotation from your sick bank and are paid for the whole trip - is this correct? I remember calling in well with schedules they would say something like I will show you well tomorrow. Does MICREW have that capability or does it just go by the time of your call?

SRH goes into great detail about Sick FLyback but I am not looking for that - just looking for how the time you call in well affects your current SICKED out rotaion. I assume no matter when you call in well unless you pursue the sick flyback you are paid the full rotation.

Thanks Scoop

Ar Pilot 09-26-2024 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 3839987)
If you use MYCREW to call in well on day 3 of a 3 day - I would assume you are charged the full 3 day rotation from your sick bank and are paid for the whole trip - is this correct? I remember calling in well with schedules they would say something like I will show you well tomorrow. Does MICREW have that capability or does it just go by the time of your call?

SRH goes into great detail about Sick FLyback but I am not looking for that - just looking for how the time you call in well affects your current SICKED out rotaion. I assume no matter when you call in well unless you pursue the sick flyback you are paid the full rotation.

Thanks Scoop


Once you call in sick, the rotation is removed and you are paid sick for the entire value of the rotation. When you call in well has no implication on your pay for that rotation. The only time you will be paid less than the value of the rotation is if you do not have at least that many hours in your sick bank

Whoopsmybad 09-26-2024 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 3839987)
If you use MYCREW to call in well on day 3 of a 3 day - I would assume you are charged the full 3 day rotation from your sick bank and are paid for the whole trip - is this correct? I remember calling in well with schedules they would say something like I will show you well tomorrow. Does MICREW have that capability or does it just go by the time of your call?

SRH goes into great detail about Sick FLyback but I am not looking for that - just looking for how the time you call in well affects your current SICKED out rotaion. I assume no matter when you call in well unless you pursue the sick flyback you are paid the full rotation.

Thanks Scoop

yes regardless of when you call in you are covered full rotation credit as a line holder. I haven’t called in sick on reserve in years, I think you just go back on call the next day you are good for, I.e. as long as you call in before 6am you are not charged for that day. After 6am it’s the next day. Some of the reserve wizards can correct me if I’m wrong.


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