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Old 03-13-2025 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by TALPAtalker
Maybe as we onboard more Spirit and Allegiant guys, the tide will turn in favor of shorter trips. At this point I’d happily rally for more 2-days, as those have gone by the wayside, too. 1-days worth around 6-8 hours of credit are great. I used to do them at the regional.

RE: The hub and spoke argument: we obviously can’t run the airline on all 1-day trips. Nobody is arguing that.

We successfully killed 12 and 13 day trips on the WB, maybe some day we'll kill 5 days domestically.
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Old 03-13-2025 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
We successfully killed 12 and 13 day trips on the WB, maybe some day we'll kill 5 days domestically.
I’d be 100% for that, personally. But I think when they reduced them in the past, commuters complained loudly enough they put some back in the bid pack.

Different strokes, and all that.
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Old 03-13-2025 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
So apparently, you can upload the PWA into an AI model and copy and paste your trips from icrew and it will tell you exactly what it should pay. Delta is spending years trying to make a transparent pay system, but it looks like all you need to do is spend 30 seconds on chatgpt.
Good ole ChatGPT also says that 2 hour short call is contractual. So yeah, I ain't buying it.
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Old 03-13-2025 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 80knotsV1rotate
Good ole ChatGPT also says that 2 hour short call is contractual. So yeah, I ain't buying it.
You are either lying or don't understand how to use it. Here is the response I got:

If you are on Short Call Reserve (SCR), you are required to be within the general area of your base and promptly available for contact by Crew Scheduling.



Response Time Requirements:

• You must be able to report to the airport “promptly.”

• The contract does not define an exact time or distance, as response time varies based on normal driving conditions and traffic patterns at different bases.

• If assigned a trip, you are expected to depart for the airport immediately upon notification, but you are not required to drive unsafely to meet a report time .

• If you are based at a co-terminal domicile (e.g., NYC or LAX) and are assigned a rotation out of a different co-terminal than where you were waiting, you will be given additional time to reposition .



What If Unusual Circumstances Delay Your Arrival?

• If you anticipate a delay due to weather, traffic, or other uncontrollable factors, you should inform Crew Scheduling as soon as possible.

• Any discussion of a “reasonable” response time should only occur between you, the Chief Pilot, and possibly an ALPA representative .


Would you like help strategizing how to best position yourself for a Short Call assignment?
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Old 03-13-2025 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
I’d be 100% for that, personally. But I think when they reduced them in the past, commuters complained loudly enough they put some back in the bid pack.

Different strokes, and all that.
Parosing the bid packs on the NB side for all the bases I noticed a marked increase in 1 day trips in one fleet from one base.
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Old 03-13-2025 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
I’d be 100% for that, personally. But I think when they reduced them in the past, commuters complained loudly enough they put some back in the bid pack.

Different strokes, and all that.

I know some love them, but a vast majority of the commuters I fly with don't even like them. I'm all for variety, but if we're going to keep 5-days, at the very least, there should be an equal number of 1-days in the packet.
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Old 03-13-2025 | 02:18 PM
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I live in base and hate 1 days. I much prefer driving to the airport and doing the employee parking and airport song and dance 3-4 times per month. Plus anything less than 30hrs home I feel like I'm barely home at all. Just enough time to shower, sleep, cook a meal, prep a uniform and leave again. The only real benefit is sleeping in my own bed next to my SO but we get enough days off now that it's not really worth it. I'll happily fly a 5 day trip unless it's complete garbage. I even like international 6 days. Back in my 135 days I used to do 21-30 day trips, that stuff wears on you fast. Now I've become used to airline trips, 5 starts feeling long but for the right trip can be worth it, 4 is not too bad, 3 seems to be my sweet spot. Good thing there's a lot of variety in the bid pack.
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Old 03-13-2025 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Gulfasaurus
I live in base and hate 1 days. I much prefer driving to the airport and doing the employee parking and airport song and dance 3-4 times per month. Plus anything less than 30hrs home I feel like I'm barely home at all. Just enough time to shower, sleep, cook a meal, prep a uniform and leave again. The only real benefit is sleeping in my own bed next to my SO but we get enough days off now that it's not really worth it. I'll happily fly a 5 day trip unless it's complete garbage. I even like international 6 days. Back in my 135 days I used to do 21-30 day trips, that stuff wears on you fast. Now I've become used to airline trips, 5 starts feeling long but for the right trip can be worth it, 4 is not too bad, 3 seems to be my sweet spot. Good thing there's a lot of variety in the bid pack.
When I was a commuter, I hated 1 day trips, which NYC seemed to get a lot of on the ER and 320, because it was double uncommutable, effectively "3 day" for 6-8 hours pay.

Now that I live local, I still hate 1 day trips. Except as PB Day burning weapons. It's 55 miles to JFK (so the bulk of ER trips) and at least 1+30 driveway to TSA on a good day, and 3+00 if it is rush hour. At a minimum, I'm spending 3 hours driving in/out, unless it's a middle of the night report/release. Once in a while when I get forced into a line (bid reserve 11-12 months a year, if I bid a line, it's solely to burn banked PB days) the 1 day trip, 12-15 hours off, 1-2 day trip blows goats. I get 9-12 hours at best at home, and need to sleep, eat, laundry, deal with whatever chaos the Yellow Fluff has bestowed upon me (Yellow Lab Puppy) and then drive right back. Screw that noise. And it's $38 in tolls, and $25 in Diesel to go in. And similar cost and longer if I take NJ Transit to Penn, LIRR to Jamaica, and AirTrain to JFK. And then the debacle if I get delayed/rerouted, and can't make the last train to Denville out of Penn Station. That's about $200 Uber home from Penn.

Professional RES bidder. At least 18 hours between trips. Minimum. Maybe drive to JFK once a month.

It's mid march. February 2nd is the last time I drove to work, 0900 SUN report to go to Hawaii.

Maybe I go fly this week. Maybe I don't.

I can see why some guys would love high credit 1 day trips, but even as a NYC non commmuter they often suck bad. Maybe if I lived in PTC Base housing, or in Queens/Long Island, I might like 1 days more.
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Old 03-13-2025 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
I know some love them, but a vast majority of the commuters I fly with don't even like them. I'm all for variety, but if we're going to keep 5-days, at the very least, there should be an equal number of 1-days in the packet.
I like the option for 5 day trips. Sometimes a 5 day trip is what you need to get you into the window instead of giving you a whole additional 4 day trip
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Old 03-13-2025 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
I like the option for 5 day trips. Sometimes a 5 day trip is what you need to get you into the window instead of giving you a whole additional 4 day trip
4 x 3 day trips (bare min 15:45) or 3 x 4 day trips will get you to 63:00…lowest the LCW could be is 61 (WB) or 62 (NB).
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