Any "Latest & Greatest about Delta?" Part 2
07-15-2025 | 04:09 PM
#8661
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Can someone walk me through a personal drop. I always get this confused. Under priority 1 if I want to drop multiple trips, do I go vertical or horizontal? Also, will it only work if all trips are dropped, or will it award one if it can't award the other? Finally, what is priority 2? Clearly I don't drop much, thanks for the help!
07-15-2025 | 04:12 PM
#8662
Can’t find crew pickup
Joined: Jun 2021
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So you are in the camp that removing easily violatable sections of the contract is a concession because you lose out on the remedy?
The contract is not made or intended to be a remedy paying machine. That is a secondary and unintended effect.
Sorry, I just don’t think so. If a robot calls you instead of a human, and that was made possible because positive space commuting was provided in exchange, or some other big win, then I think that’s good. Yeah I guess you’ll lose out on being compensated because now management is actually following the contract. If you see that as a concession then I agree to disagree.
edit: make no mistake. I like seeing 23M7 show up on my schedule and time card. But I’d rather the company didn’t wipe their *** with the coverage ladder constantly.
The contract is not made or intended to be a remedy paying machine. That is a secondary and unintended effect.
Sorry, I just don’t think so. If a robot calls you instead of a human, and that was made possible because positive space commuting was provided in exchange, or some other big win, then I think that’s good. Yeah I guess you’ll lose out on being compensated because now management is actually following the contract. If you see that as a concession then I agree to disagree.
edit: make no mistake. I like seeing 23M7 show up on my schedule and time card. But I’d rather the company didn’t wipe their *** with the coverage ladder constantly.
The company is causing this problem by violating the problem so people are fishing for free cash.
07-15-2025 | 04:16 PM
#8663
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Apr 2016
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From: Looking left
Can someone walk me through a personal drop. I always get this confused. Under priority 1 if I want to drop multiple trips, do I go vertical or horizontal? Also, will it only work if all trips are dropped, or will it award one if it can't award the other? Finally, what is priority 2? Clearly I don't drop much, thanks for the help!
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07-15-2025 | 04:26 PM
#8664
Roll’n Thunder
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,116
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From: Pilot
Not expanding the use of CNO is a huge issue for me in the next contract. It is a huge driver of my QOL when they mess up rotation and/or rest notifications and I get to stay home several extra days per month. The solution isn't to give PWA relief to the company - it's for the company to come into compliance with the current PWA langauge. If you don't like that pilots like myself know the ins and outs of the PWA and exercise every detail to our advantage, then take your complaints to the CPO and tell them to train crew schedulers better. Caving to the company's inability to do basic functions like notify pilots of assignments is something we should not be considering. Many other pilots other than reserve pilots benefit from scheduling's improper notifications when they get a GS or RR that pays a them a ton extra while the reserve pilot gets more days at home. And again, if that whole idea just grinds your gears, take it up with the company, not ALPA.
07-15-2025 | 04:29 PM
#8665
Can’t find crew pickup
Joined: Jun 2021
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Not expanding the use of CNO is a huge issue for me in the next contract. It is a huge driver of my QOL when they mess up rotation and/or rest notifications and I get to stay home several extra days per month. The solution isn't to give PWA relief to the company - it's for the company to come into compliance with the current PWA langauge. If you don't like that pilots like myself know the ins and outs of the PWA and exercise every detail to our advantage, then take your complaints to the CPO and tell them to train crew schedulers better. Caving to the company's inability to do basic functions like notify pilots of assignments is something we should not be considering. Many other pilots other than reserve pilots benefit from scheduling's improper notifications when they get a GS or RR that pays a them a ton extra while the reserve pilot gets more days at home. And again, if that whole idea just grinds your gears, take it up with the company, not ALPA.
07-15-2025 | 04:38 PM
#8666
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Joined: Mar 2023
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Not expanding the use of CNO is a huge issue for me in the next contract. It is a huge driver of my QOL when they mess up rotation and/or rest notifications and I get to stay home several extra days per month. The solution isn't to give PWA relief to the company - it's for the company to come into compliance with the current PWA langauge. If you don't like that pilots like myself know the ins and outs of the PWA and exercise every detail to our advantage, then take your complaints to the CPO and tell them to train crew schedulers better. Caving to the company's inability to do basic functions like notify pilots of assignments is something we should not be considering. Many other pilots other than reserve pilots benefit from scheduling's improper notifications when they get a GS or RR that pays a them a ton extra while the reserve pilot gets more days at home. And again, if that whole idea just grinds your gears, take it up with the company, not ALPA.
07-15-2025 | 04:40 PM
#8667
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Joined: Oct 2021
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I'll say it, I'm fine with going to CNO, I don't want to talk to humans anyways 
Saves the schedulers time to actually work on important things, instead of having to call hundreds of pilots and wait for a voicemail, just to tell them they have 30hrs of rest.
I'm sure we could get something good for it.
No I don't, and never will work for ALPA, so don't worry
Saves the schedulers time to actually work on important things, instead of having to call hundreds of pilots and wait for a voicemail, just to tell them they have 30hrs of rest.
I'm sure we could get something good for it.
No I don't, and never will work for ALPA, so don't worry
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07-15-2025 | 04:50 PM
#8669
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Joined: Jul 2006
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Can someone walk me through a personal drop. I always get this confused. Under priority 1 if I want to drop multiple trips, do I go vertical or horizontal? Also, will it only work if all trips are dropped, or will it award one if it can't award the other? Finally, what is priority 2? Clearly I don't drop much, thanks for the help!
Not expanding the use of CNO is a huge issue for me in the next contract. It is a huge driver of my QOL when they mess up rotation and/or rest notifications and I get to stay home several extra days per month. The solution isn't to give PWA relief to the company - it's for the company to come into compliance with the current PWA langauge. If you don't like that pilots like myself know the ins and outs of the PWA and exercise every detail to our advantage, then take your complaints to the CPO and tell them to train crew schedulers better. Caving to the company's inability to do basic functions like notify pilots of assignments is something we should not be considering. Many other pilots other than reserve pilots benefit from scheduling's improper notifications when they get a GS or RR that pays a them a ton extra while the reserve pilot gets more days at home. And again, if that whole idea just grinds your gears, take it up with the company, not ALPA.
Werd! Its mind boggling that people want to give something up and/or trade for something just to get them to honor the contract. We've already seen how that worked with our current situation.
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