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Old 07-27-2025 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy
Please God and Baby Jesus don't push for time-and-a-half above X hours like a bunch of short-sighted clowns at a former red-tailed airline used to do...along with ranting about SOPA/SMAC
I would never push for that. Total agreement with you.
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Old 07-27-2025 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by nene
Circa 2016/7 they rolled in a cake in the international briefing rooms in ATL for a A330 CA that was having his 40th year anniversary and was #1 in ATL on the A330 but still had 3 years to go till 65!

He gave a very short speech that basically said started young at a small airline that was bought by Republic that was bought by NWA, that merged with Delta. One interview at 22 lead to a career with 4 uniforms so far.

I flew with one of those guys. The DTW bubbas know the other Joe. He was hired at North Central in his early 20s to fly Convairs. Then got merged to Republic -> NWA -> DAL. Great guy who was just happy to be here.


Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy
Please God and Baby Jesus don't push for time-and-a-half above X hours like a bunch of short-sighted clowns at a former red-tailed airline used to do...along with ranting about SOPA/SMAC

I've never understood their infatuation with that pay scheme. What was it, 75 hours? 80 hours? Either way, that is WAY too much to even get to that 1.5x pay.
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Old 07-27-2025 | 07:09 PM
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No trigger….keep current leveling mechanism where Junior gets shot at GS#1 before senior gets GS#2…if company calls asking for our help, then it pays double for REG and single pay above guarantee plus PB day for RES.
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Old 07-27-2025 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
No trigger….keep current leveling mechanism where Junior gets shot at GS#1 before senior gets GS#2…if company calls asking for our help, then it pays double for REG and single pay above guarantee plus PB day for RES.
that might work. No SS correct? And swp /ws can go until 1 day prior?
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Old 07-28-2025 | 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
No trigger….keep current leveling mechanism where Junior gets shot at GS#1 before senior gets GS#2…if company calls asking for our help, then it pays double for REG and single pay above guarantee plus PB day for RES.
I would be for this. I’m sitting at home today, watching trips pile up already. I won’t do a GS cause I’m below the trigger. The trips are undesirebale as WS.
By the time the phone rings for IA, the trips are usually gone
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Old 07-28-2025 | 03:55 AM
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I would be for this. I’m sitting at home today, watching trips pile up already. I won’t do a GS cause I’m below the trigger. The trips are undesirebale as WS.
By the time the phone rings for IA, the trips are usually gone
The trigger was created for the company’s benefit. Other pilots in your situation may be inclined to fly the GS, then pick up another trip elsewhere in the month at straight pay (when they would otherwise only work for premium).

Now that trip coverage is slow as molasses, a case can be made that eliminating the trigger would be mutually beneficial to both sides. The GS acknowledgement rate would increase, IAs would decrease, coverage would move faster, and more trips would be covered at 200% as straight pay flying would be further disincentivized.
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Old 07-28-2025 | 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ancman
The trigger was created for the company’s benefit. Other pilots in your situation may be inclined to fly the GS, then pick up another trip elsewhere in the month at straight pay (when they would otherwise only work for premium).

Now that trip coverage is slow as molasses, a case can be made that eliminating the trigger would be mutually beneficial to both sides. The GS acknowledgement rate would increase, IAs would decrease, coverage would move faster, and more trips would be covered at 200% as straight pay flying would be further disincentivized.
write your reps
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Old 07-28-2025 | 06:54 AM
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One thing I’ve not seen mentioned re hypothetically eliminating the GS trigger: I believe it would make it much more difficult to drop trips (ie, would lead to far less coverage / more “black” days).

Consider how much flying is done (at straight pay) by pilots just making it to the trigger, so their GS pays. If the trigger goes away, so does the incentive to fly a trip you don’t really want (but for its contribution to reaching the trigger). I’d bet the company believes this as well, which is why they’d never go for it….

Law of unintended consequences in full effect….
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Old 07-28-2025 | 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Jughead135
One thing I’ve not seen mentioned re hypothetically eliminating the GS trigger: I believe it would make it much more difficult to drop trips (ie, would lead to far less coverage / more “black” days).

Consider how much flying is done (at straight pay) by pilots just making it to the trigger, so their GS pays. If the trigger goes away, so does the incentive to fly a trip you don’t really want (but for its contribution to reaching the trigger). I’d bet the company believes this as well, which is why they’d never go for it….

Law of unintended consequences in full effect….
At a previous airline.... Contractually, the Open time "Grid" had to be 80% blue at (what would be their version of) the start of the first PCS run on the 20th. I would be all for that on the next contract.
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Old 07-28-2025 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ShegotheD
At a previous airline.... Contractually, the Open time "Grid" had to be 80% blue at (what would be their version of) the start of the first PCS run on the 20th. I would be all for that on the next contract.
…which would last up to the start of the 0700 run on the 20th, just as it does now.
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