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Old 07-29-2025 | 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by LumberJack
Can we not reinvent any wheels on the next contract please?

Eliminate SS
Eliminate VAS
Up the pay
Improve SCOPE (intl. and dom)
Improve medical
Improve parental leave
Improve Coverage language
Improve hotel language
Re-improve batch sizes
Re-improve profit sharing calculation
Improve other things as you all see fit.

No need to throw some huge wrench in the contract just to find out it doesn't work like we thought it would.
I vote LumberJack for our negotiation committee.

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Old 07-29-2025 | 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by All 5 Stages
I vote LumberJack for our negotiation committee.

A5S

I am fine with all that. But give us a real commuting policy like American. Only need one flight on any airline, no backup.
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Old 07-29-2025 | 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by peepz
I am fine with all that. But give us a real commuting policy like American. Only need one flight on any airline, no backup.
also, I’m in favor of keeping SS.
kill the GS trigger, or make it 50 hours


No pitchforks please
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Old 07-29-2025 | 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by NoDeskJob
also, I’m in favor of keeping SS.
kill the GS trigger, or make it 50 hours


No pitchforks please
I don’t like that one person can clear their whole schedule and just scoop up all the SS in one go.
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Old 07-29-2025 | 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Rvr330
I’d add “gut crew scheduling completely and rehire and retrained by alpa concurrence.”
No need to worry — the changes are already in motion. Currently, our experienced Trackers, many of whom do an excellent job, are being forced to reinterview for their roles as part of the newly merged Scheduling and Tracking department. In this new setup, they’ll be using a poorly performing software system to reroute crews — a system that’s already showing negative impacts on operational performance and the customer experience.

All of this is being done under the guise of cost containment. The unfortunate truth is that the people using the system mostly just know how to push buttons — they can’t recognize how badly it’s actually performing. That’s what happens when real operational experience is replaced with 22-year-olds holding analytics degrees and no understanding of how an airline truly works.

We’re all paying for it. Customers — especially those of us in the OCC — are left cleaning up the mess created by these misguided decisions. The irony? This is all supposedly aimed at controlling pilot costs, yet no one from that group seems concerned with the cascading expenses these choices are creating downline. The rest of us, who do understand those consequences, are left trying to keep things running.

Some recent examples of this system’s "wins" include assigning multiple crew rotations to the same trips, pulling crew members from flights scheduled to depart within 20 minutes, and leaving flights uncovered until 5 to 10 minutes before departure — only then alerting others to scramble.

And leading this charge? A relatively new addition to Delta, backed by a team of yes-men — most of whom either have no operational experience or didn’t perform well when they did. Now, they’re in charge. The result is a bloated, top-heavy structure that's pushing decisions disconnected from operational realities.

It’s disheartening. It’s happening. And aside from the yes-men, no one supports it.
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Old 07-29-2025 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Orbitconundrum
No need to worry — the changes are already in motion. Currently, our experienced Trackers, many of whom do an excellent job, are being forced to reinterview for their roles as part of the newly merged Scheduling and Tracking department. In this new setup, they’ll be using a poorly performing software system to reroute crews — a system that’s already showing negative impacts on operational performance and the customer experience.

All of this is being done under the guise of cost containment. The unfortunate truth is that the people using the system mostly just know how to push buttons — they can’t recognize how badly it’s actually performing. That’s what happens when real operational experience is replaced with 22-year-olds holding analytics degrees and no understanding of how an airline truly works.

We’re all paying for it. Customers — especially those of us in the OCC — are left cleaning up the mess created by these misguided decisions. The irony? This is all supposedly aimed at controlling pilot costs, yet no one from that group seems concerned with the cascading expenses these choices are creating downline. The rest of us, who do understand those consequences, are left trying to keep things running.

Some recent examples of this system’s "wins" include assigning multiple crew rotations to the same trips, pulling crew members from flights scheduled to depart within 20 minutes, and leaving flights uncovered until 5 to 10 minutes before departure — only then alerting others to scramble.

And leading this charge? A relatively new addition to Delta, backed by a team of yes-men — most of whom either have no operational experience or didn’t perform well when they did. Now, they’re in charge. The result is a bloated, top-heavy structure that's pushing decisions disconnected from operational realities.

It’s disheartening. It’s happening. And aside from the yes-men, no one supports it.
Not surprising. I'd say you should reach out to Delta ALPA to share your observations but don't know if even that will do any good
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Old 07-29-2025 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Orbitconundrum
No need to worry — the changes are already in motion. Currently, our experienced Trackers, many of whom do an excellent job, are being forced to reinterview for their roles as part of the newly merged Scheduling and Tracking department. In this new setup, they’ll be using a poorly performing software system to reroute crews — a system that’s already showing negative impacts on operational performance and the customer experience.

All of this is being done under the guise of cost containment. The unfortunate truth is that the people using the system mostly just know how to push buttons — they can’t recognize how badly it’s actually performing. That’s what happens when real operational experience is replaced with 22-year-olds holding analytics degrees and no understanding of how an airline truly works.

We’re all paying for it. Customers — especially those of us in the OCC — are left cleaning up the mess created by these misguided decisions. The irony? This is all supposedly aimed at controlling pilot costs, yet no one from that group seems concerned with the cascading expenses these choices are creating downline. The rest of us, who do understand those consequences, are left trying to keep things running.

Some recent examples of this system’s "wins" include assigning multiple crew rotations to the same trips, pulling crew members from flights scheduled to depart within 20 minutes, and leaving flights uncovered until 5 to 10 minutes before departure — only then alerting others to scramble.

And leading this charge? A relatively new addition to Delta, backed by a team of yes-men — most of whom either have no operational experience or didn’t perform well when they did. Now, they’re in charge. The result is a bloated, top-heavy structure that's pushing decisions disconnected from operational realities.

It’s disheartening. It’s happening. And aside from the yes-men, no one supports it.
Bring on the Reroute Pay!!!!
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Old 07-29-2025 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
Bring on the Reroute Pay!!!!

A buddy ended up with a 17 hour day trip (res GS) where he deadheaded out and back because they doubled crewed the return leg. Actually it had 3 Captains and no FO until the rerouted an FO at the outstation. It actually showed an FO for hours but that FO was showing assigned to two different rotations at the same time.

On the plus side, the PB days made him available for the GS he's on today. Sounds like we'll see more of this in the near future.
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Old 07-29-2025 | 07:13 AM
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Hold on, why don't we like VAS? Them not using it is not a reason to get rid of it. If anything we should make it more expensive for them to put people on short call. Bump it up to 3 hours per SC assignment whether used or not.
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Old 07-29-2025 | 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Khantahr
Hold on, why don't we like VAS? Them not using it is not a reason to get rid of it. If anything we should make it more expensive for them to put people on short call. Bump it up to 3 hours per SC assignment whether used or not.
I say they should be required to offer VAS anytime the reserve coverage gets below a certain percentage.
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