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Old 07-29-2025 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by NoDeskJob
that senior person is getting the best trips and then usually giving them away on the Swap board. So junior guys get their sweet trips.

then the senior guy can try to credit surf or hope for SS. it’s not like SS go out every month.

I’ve been junior, and I’ve been senior. I’m cool with SS. especially cause they are usually crappy bid package trips. I haven’t flown any yet, cause I don’t want to fly those crap trips. Not even for double pay.
You're not alone in thinking this way.
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Old 07-29-2025 | 06:09 PM
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Commuting is a choice. I made the choice to do it. And I’m against PS commuting, for a lot of reasons.Please don’t waste negotiating resources on this.
might be one of the worst takes I’ve seen on APC.
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Old 07-29-2025 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Speed Select
Commuting is a choice. I made the choice to do it. And I’m against PS commuting, for a lot of reasons.Please don’t waste negotiating resources on this.
Originally Posted by Avgeek7248
might be one of the worst takes I’ve seen on APC.
I agree with Avgeek
Commuting is a choice. I live in base. I support PS commuting.
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Old 07-29-2025 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 180ToAJ
I agree with Avgeek
Commuting is a choice. I live in base. I support PS commuting.
Former commuter who moved to base.

Positive Space Commuting. If not that, at least industry standard commuter policy.

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Old 07-29-2025 | 07:13 PM
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Just let the pilot merge the two policies in whichever way helps them most.
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Old 07-29-2025 | 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
you realize sitting around an airport is how a lot of commuters handle short call right?

VAS as it sits now is 6 hours and starts your FDP not just RAP at start time. It also significantly limits the kinds of trips you can be used for. a commuter would probably overwhelming prefer it for several reasons and it would even have some advantages for pilots who live in base somewhat near the airport.

i disagree that the concept of pilots at an airport is unbecoming of our profession and as long as it stays voluntary I think most pilots have no issue with it.
We shouldn't have anybody sitting in the airport for hours on end, including commuters. I've done it, I know dozens of people who have done it, some 8 hours, some 4 hours. We universally despised it.

The real solution is to increase SCC and make SC voluntary.

VSC > VAS
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Old 07-29-2025 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by LumberJack
We shouldn't have anybody sitting in the airport for hours on end, including commuters. I've done it, I know dozens of people who have done it, some 8 hours, some 4 hours. We universally despised it.

The real solution is to increase SCC and make SC voluntary.

VSC > VAS
One of the few things I thought Alaska did better then us is bidding specifically long call and short call for a month with no conversions. Commuters could bid long call and know they won’t be converted to go sit short call with the normal ALV. If you lived in base you would or could bid short call and the guaranteed reserve credit would jump from 72 to 80. Financially incentivizing those in base to bid short call while allowing those who commute the assurance they won’t have to needlessly come into base and not get used. Win win imo. Also had nice features like princess parking if you were called within 4 hours of the actual report on short call which depending on the base could be great or useless. Food for thought.
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Old 07-29-2025 | 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Avgeek7248
One of the few things I thought Alaska did better then us is bidding specifically long call and short call for a month with no conversions. Commuters could bid long call and know they won’t be converted to go sit short call with the normal ALV. If you lived in base you would or could bid short call and the guaranteed reserve credit would jump from 72 to 80. Financially incentivizing those in base to bid short call while allowing those who commute the assurance they won’t have to needlessly come into base and not get used. Win win imo. Also had nice features like princess parking if you were called within 4 hours of the actual report on short call which depending on the base could be great or useless. Food for thought.
Automatic princess parking is really nice.

Past problem with SC lines is having the same callout the entire month. Definitely don't want the crap shoot like JetBlue. Would we bid for specific times each block of reserve, day by day? How did Alaska handle the times?

I feel like making entire lines of SC is too much change leading to unintended consequences. Past airline had them, we saw all the LC get used first. Scheduling would break up trips just to get the LC pilot in the system, making them commute anyway (a lot like they are using SC now).

Voluntary SC with more credit for each one and no limit seems like the sweet spot unless I'm missing something.
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Old 07-29-2025 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by LumberJack
Automatic princess parking is really nice.

Past problem with SC lines is having the same callout the entire month. Definitely don't want the crap shoot like JetBlue. Would we bid for specific times each block of reserve, day by day? How did Alaska handle the times?

I feel like making entire lines of SC is too much change leading to unintended consequences. Past airline had them, we saw all the LC get used first. Scheduling would break up trips just to get the LC pilot in the system, making them commute anyway (a lot like they are using SC now).

Voluntary SC with more credit for each one and no limit seems like the sweet spot unless I'm missing something.
same issue you’re short call for the same period all month long. Definitely plenty of room for improvement. I like the idea of incentivizing short call pick ups. Anything really to alleviate the automatic max SC conversions each month we currently have would be a welcomed change.
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Old 07-29-2025 | 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by LumberJack
Automatic princess parking is really nice.

Past problem with SC lines is having the same callout the entire month. Definitely don't want the crap shoot like JetBlue. Would we bid for specific times each block of reserve, day by day? How did Alaska handle the times?

I feel like making entire lines of SC is too much change leading to unintended consequences. Past airline had them, we saw all the LC get used first. Scheduling would break up trips just to get the LC pilot in the system, making them commute anyway (a lot like they are using SC now).

Voluntary SC with more credit for each one and no limit seems like the sweet spot unless I'm missing something.
This is the way. I’m local and perma-reserve and I wouldn’t touch a pure SC line for 80 hours with a ten foot pole. Heck no to that.
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