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Old 06-26-2022 | 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by vyperdriver
I haven't seen any communication from DALPA on how they perceive Uniteds turd. Has anyone else? I've been out for a couple of weeks...
A couple of weeks? Good for you. The UAL TA has only been out for a couple of days.

I think it would be legally perilous (and politically risky with ALPA national officer elections in the fall) for any MEC to make public statements about another MEC’s TA.
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Old 06-26-2022 | 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
plot twist: there are no actual good people, and our whole society/world is built on serving one’s own interest.
That's not entirely true. We're not dumb animals. We can consciously decide when one's own self-interest has been served adequately, and then focus some energy on helping others who need it. You can do that micro, giving some back every day or week in small ways. Or macro... many or even most ruthless industrial/tech barons turn philanthropist and spend their later years giving their money away. Or in the case of Elon for example, trying to save humanity by establishing extra-planetary colonies. Whether you agree that needs to be done or not, you have to respect the guy's overall motives.

We can all think of experienced great leaders from a variety of fields who we wish would run for office or take political jobs. Most don't, because they don't want to immerse themselves in the cesspool. Gen Mattis as SECDEF is a good example of an exception, and I know as fact that he did it out of a sense of duty to maintain a stable military command & control system.
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Old 06-26-2022 | 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
That's not entirely true. We're not dumb animals. We can consciously decide when one's own self-interest has been served adequately, and then focus some energy on helping others who need it. You can do that micro, giving some back every day or week in small ways. Or macro... many or even most ruthless industrial/tech barons turn philanthropist and spend their later years giving their money away. Or in the case of Elon for example, trying to save humanity by establishing extra-planetary colonies. Whether you agree that needs to be done or not, you have to respect the guy's overall motives.
Thinking musk is just some altruist is absurd in the extreme.
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Old 06-26-2022 | 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
Thinking musk is just some altruist is absurd in the extreme.
I didn't say he was altruistic. I said that he thinks he's giving back in his own, even if you don't agree with the specifics.

You don't have to be Mother Thersesa to be "good". How much "good" you need to do is in the eye of the beholder.
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Old 06-26-2022 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
I didn't say he was altruistic. I said that he thinks he's giving back, even if you don't agree with the specifics.

You don't have to be Mother Thersesa to be "good". How much "good" you need to do is in the eye of the beholder.
he is “saving humanity” to serve a narcissistic messiah complex.

You can see this in his cave diver paedophilia accusation.
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Old 06-26-2022 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
plot twist: there are no actual good people, and our whole society/world is built on serving one’s own interest.
Truth. And the realizing that is the first step towards furthering your own goals
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Old 06-26-2022 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by jaxsurf
Same with all political offices. Anyone who actually wants to hold a political office should be barred by law from holding that office

Obviously not practical, but it is incredibly frustrating that over 99.99% of people holding any type of political office do it for self-serving reasons. Just no good way to sh*t screen these people while then forcing actual good people into office.
An organized minority with a purpose will always defeat an unorganized majority that only wants to be left alone.

All forms of government since the dawn of civilization.

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Old 06-26-2022 | 08:53 AM
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Truth. And the realizing that is the first step towards furthering your own goals
yeah, I’m not falling for the Ayn Rand “selfish is good” claptrap. People are awful.
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Old 06-26-2022 | 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
yeah, I’m not falling for the Ayn Rand “selfish is good” claptrap. People are awful.
"selfish is good fact". Internalize that and behave accordingly.
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Old 06-26-2022 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by jaxsurf
We don’t contract out our LEC, MEC, or NC. Those same individuals would be able to run for union office whether it’s for DALPA or DPA. How would a change away from DALPA matter that much, when DALPA is staffed by our own pilots?

Look at APA. They have an absolute turdball of a contract; seems like proof that the problem are the pilots themselves, not the acronym they use.

If our NC brought us a similar turd and our MEC passed the turd on to us, we should be all in on recalling the MEC and NC. What would leaving ALPA do beyond that? Are you just one of those people that have an axe to grind against ALPA?
No particular axe to grind, but the secrecy, nepotism, excessive spending at parties, the virtual in ability to contact someone real time with a contract type question, the constant high school election antics, the MASSIVE loopholes in our contract, near zero ability to influence the company to actually operate IAW our contract, ceding international scope, allowing a 767 wide body aircraft to pay narrow body wages, no full pay for a day of cq, the failure to regain contract bankruptcy gives in 14 YEARS post bankruptcy, ALPA guys that once worked for us now on company payroll negotiating against us, the last TA1, charging dues off bonuses. Oh goodness, I could continue, but would it matter. ALPA would be fine with an entire re-write of its by-laws and administration. But no particular axe to grind.
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