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Old 05-17-2022 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
The example provided /\ see above /\ is blocked by current language.

It might not be blocked by the new language which allows the company to redirect aircraft elsewhere without regard to geography or commercial agreements.
The context of my example wasn't about current section 1 anything. Just probing for holes in a "global scope solution" where we just look at flying in theaters, not the actual nation of a JV partner. I have several concerns, and I hope they've been accounted for by the negotiators.
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Old 05-17-2022 | 02:55 PM
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If we as a group are dumb enough to give the company want they want outside of section 6 we deserve everything we get. We have never had more leverage than we do right now. Unfortunately our MEC president is a well known management sympathizer.
Remember this…the company negotiators are lawyers wearing $4000 suits, our negotiators are pilots who took a weekend course in Herndon.
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Old 05-17-2022 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Eddiewouldgo
If we as a group are dumb enough to give the company want they want outside of section 6 we deserve everything we get. We have never had more leverage than we do right now. Unfortunately our MEC president is a well known management sympathizer.
Remember this…the company negotiators are lawyers wearing $4000 suits, our negotiators are pilots who took a weekend course in Herndon.
Except one of the negotiators used to be our negotiator but somehow that “will be good for us”. It boils down to this, in 25 years that I’ve been hearing all the latest and greatest new scope deals, the results have never been stellar, ever. Down 30 plus WB airframes since the merger, all this “growth” will somehow be negated by old WB’s being parked, new JV’s coming in that “don’t count”, always something.
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Old 05-17-2022 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Eddiewouldgo
If we as a group are dumb enough to give the company want they want outside of section 6 we deserve everything we get. We have never had more leverage than we do right now. Unfortunately our MEC president is a well known management sympathizer.
Remember this…the company negotiators are lawyers wearing $4000 suits, our negotiators are pilots who took a weekend course in Herndon.
Except they negotiated an industry leading/taking VEOP, Yeah......weekend warriors. Also, you realize we have lawyers too, right? Check your email from a few months ago from the NC outlining our lawyers.
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Old 05-17-2022 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by igotgummed
Except they negotiated an industry leading/taking VEOP, Yeah......weekend warriors. Also, you realize we have lawyers too, right? Check your email from a few months ago from the NC outlining our lawyers.
That was under our old MEC chairman who promptly got removed afterwards 🤷🏼‍♂️
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Old 05-17-2022 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Eddiewouldgo
If we as a group are dumb enough to give the company want they want outside of section 6 we deserve everything we get. We have never had more leverage than we do right now. Unfortunately our MEC president is a well known management sympathizer.

Remember this…the company negotiators are lawyers wearing $4000 suits, our negotiators are pilots who took a weekend course in Herndon.
Folks here is an example of a pilot that is full of bluster, but horribly misinformed about not only our negotiating process, but also the resources our pilot negotiators have. I said it before and I'll say it again... Do supposedly smart, intelligent Delta pilots not READ before going on a tangent on SM?

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Old 05-17-2022 | 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
That was under our old MEC chairman who promptly got removed afterwards 🤷🏼‍♂️
who cares what chairman it was under.....the NC did the legwork.....not RS.
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Old 05-17-2022 | 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by igotgummed
who cares what chairman it was under.....the NC did the legwork.....not RS.
Exactly. Word on the street was RS and the NC Chair weren't on speaking terms

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Old 05-17-2022 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Folks here is an example of a pilot that is full of bluster, but horribly misinformed about not only our negotiating process, but also the resources our pilot negotiators have. I said it before and I'll say it again... Do supposedly smart, intelligent Delta pilots not READ before going on a tangent on SM?

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It’s not that much different than trumpeting how big of a win this is when you haven’t actually seen language. Talking points make for nice updates but contract language is what counts.
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Old 05-17-2022 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Iceberg
It’s not that much different than trumpeting how big of a win this is when you haven’t actually seen language. Talking points make for nice updates but contract language is what counts.
Anyone that had paid the least amount attention knows that he’s not coming up with his talking points on his own. Zero Int’l experience, Zero union work except for that which he was fired from. I’ll judge the AIP when there is actual language written.
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