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05-20-2022, 04:23 AM
#21
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 341
Originally Posted by CBreezy
No one promised you anything. Your contract with the company can change every 3 years. You knew that and if you didn't, that's your own fault
You are an ignorant person. Educate yourself before you post your ignorance. Enjoy 30 years of crappy rotations and WB promises from Mgmt. Most of us hired before bankruptcy know the score.
05-20-2022, 10:33 AM
#22
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Joined APC: Oct 2020
Posts: 1,852
Originally Posted by JustNarced
But we don't have that guy anymore, he was traded out for another executive that traded the future financial stability of the company for buybacks today. Let's face it, we are somewhere between AAL and UAL going forward.
Originally Posted by AAL24
A lot of people say that. AA has been the "turd" for at least the last 20 years. I wouldn't be surprised to see AA lag DAL and UAL another 20 years. There are no indications we can reach parity let alone industry leading. Our union isn't even trying to reach industry standard. I feel like that almost needs to be repeated. The greatest pilot shortage in 60 years and APA isn't even trying to reach industry standard. We are going for a base hit through a targeted approach. Pay rates, LTD, a few scheduling fixes. Then we will get em next time....yeah
As an outside observer who reads all the forums I think its funny how pilots at every company think the grass is greener everywhere else. Pilots have no perspective.
05-20-2022, 10:40 AM
#23
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Joined APC: May 2015
Position: A350 Both
Posts: 7,292
Originally Posted by sailingfun
A bloodbath will be devastating for the careers of pilots with more than 5 years to go. Every single cancelation is ultimately money out of pilots pockets. It was not that many years ago that we were a very bad airline. We were getting 86% of the revenue UAL and AMR got. A CEO came in with a ruthless focus on reliability. His methods were laughed at on this and other forums. Soon we were pulling in 115% of UAL and AMR and setting a standard for reliability never seen in this industry. Regardless of the reason and I agree our current CEO seems more focused on social causes than running a airline poor performance by the airline is incredibly damaging to Delta pilot careers. That’s why I just don’t get the glee about past and future meltdowns. Lots of posts on here about not helping fix managements problems. I have a hard time understanding how someone could make it through flight training and not understand that managements problems are also our problems regardless of who created them. If we truly have a summer meltdown we are years away from true profits and growth will be vastly reduced long term. Many here will be posting about the meltdowns with glee. What can you say, stupid is as stupid does.
05-20-2022, 10:48 AM
#25
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Joined APC: May 2015
Position: A350 Both
Posts: 7,292
Originally Posted by shock
Sailingfun continues to show what a management shill he is. He is truly out of touch with reality and the current state of the Delta Pilots. I am embarrassed by his insensitivity and lack of support for any form of Pilot unity towards protecting out futures. The pilots aren’t to blame for the Summer train wreck that approaches. We have already seen hints of what is to come and how management plans to handle it. Just because many of us are burnt out and have spent all of our good will doesn’t make us responsible for the misery that awaits.
05-20-2022, 02:43 PM
#27
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Joined APC: Jul 2006
Posts: 5,549
Originally Posted by Margaritaville
As an outside observer who reads all the forums I think its funny how pilots at every company think the grass is greener everywhere else. Pilots have no perspective.
You should see chitchat. They hear of a few junior folks leaving DAL and they're up in arms about how they're leaving because X airline just got a contract and Y airlines is a "real WB airline." They act as if this isn't going on at every airline out there right now.
05-20-2022, 03:16 PM
#28
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Joined APC: May 2015
Position: 717a
Posts: 638
Originally Posted by CBreezy
No one promised you anything. Your contract with the company can change every 3 years. You knew that and if you didn't, that's your own fault
05-20-2022, 04:24 PM
#29
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 4,458
Originally Posted by Boatbuilder
To borrow a phrase, “Max pay ‘till the final day”.
No pension. No post retirement medical. With less than 5 years to go my goal is to make the most I can until the music stops. If the lights go out the day after I throw my ID on the chief pilots desk it doesn’t affect me.
Selfish? Maybe so, but business is business. The promises made to me when I was hired were broken. I’m here for the $$.
No pension. No post retirement medical. With less than 5 years to go my goal is to make the most I can until the music stops. If the lights go out the day after I throw my ID on the chief pilots desk it doesn’t affect me.
Selfish? Maybe so, but business is business. The promises made to me when I was hired were broken. I’m here for the $$.
My #1 metric is pay per day away. It is an all encompassing metric that includes scope, pay rate, ADG, training pay, vacation pay and commutability. If our contract is lacking in any of those areas, the pay per day goes down. Selling scope for pay rates means less WB flying, thus lower pay per day. Poor commutability means more days away for the same pay. Some things like control over training dates, sick leave and reroute protection (as in protection from a reroute, not compensation for the abuse) are a bit softer in nature and not as easy to quantify.
05-20-2022, 04:30 PM
#30
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 320A
Posts: 909
Originally Posted by Boatbuilder
Oh yes they did. I distinctly remember the words spoken during indoc 31 years ago. I was there, you weren’t.
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