Applies to the entire trip. If the footprint of the trip is within the “holiday zone” it can be blanket denied.

it doesn’t have to be denied.

but it can be.

 

A lot of new guys/gals around here and many don't realize this:

Another public announcement for this kind of dilemma, you can swap with the pot to another trip on completely different days as long as the days covered have a more negative total (even by just one day) than the trip you are dropping and it even works on all holidays.

EX: Say trip A you want to drop is 12/ 28-30 and has negative reserve coverage of -3, -4, -4 on the respective days.

Now say you notice that for whatever reason 12/ 15-17 has -8, +4, -8 reserve coverage, you find trip B in open time covering those days.

Barring any other illegalities concerning block time etc, you can swap with pot trip B for A (holiday rules do not matter). Trips do not have to touch or overlap in any way.

You can even trade into a longer day trip if you need an extra days to make the negative reserve coverage shortfall work, ie the total days of trip net reserve coverage is all the "swap with the pot" computer looks at.

And if getting out of all the flying is your goal, then you can drop your APD/IVD on the trip that you picked up (as long as the min reserve coverage for APD's is met) and holiday will no longer be a factor.

 

Won't he have to swap into a 4 day because the current 3 day finishes after midnight?

 

Only if the after midnight fourth day has negative coverage, which, c’mon, it’s delta, you know it’ll have negative coverage.

 

All that matters are the coverage numbers. I’ve swapped from a 4-day to a 1-day before due to the 1-day have terrible coverage compared to the cumulative coverage numbers of the 4-day.

 

Every day has to be more negative than the trip you are trading from, so that +4 day would scuttle that swap since it applies to holiday rules. 23 V 5 b.

Cumulative is only if a day doesn't touch an APD holiday period listed in 23 I 10 a. Exception.

If it does touch one of those 36 days, including if it duties off after midnight but before 2am, every day of that trip or multiple trips you are trying to drop that is negative reserves has to have a day you are picking up that is more negative than that day. If you are trying to drop 2 different 3 day trips, 1 touching a holiday, it would potentially be denied if every day was negative unless you were picking up 6 days of even worse coverage.

 

True that.

 

This is great info … many thanks for the explanation. Anyone know if you can swap for a carryover trip? E.g. swap a 4 day over Christmas 24-27th for a 5-day that starts on Nov 30th (assuming the reserve coverage math works out) …

 

Snookered,

Nene's post is inaccurate.

Look at puddytatt's response because it breaks down the difference between holiday and non-holiday drops/swaps

 

Also, if I’m reading the PWA correctly, it appears as if you can’t swap Christmas and Thanksgiving holiday period trips at all if A is less than R. Regardless of relative negative availability days. And of course A is always less than R on those days.


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