What's the pilot punishment for dragging out negotiating past the amendable date?

 

Mandatory hat wear.

 

sure, just tell the company we demand it. Should be easy enough

 

All I can say is that we will get what we demand. In the past, Delta management has laughed all the way to the bank with their giant bonuses after we agree to a pithy contract.

We are at a crossroad where the regionals can push us up rather than us pull them up.

Two quotes that make me want to go "Airline Pilot" on people are:
1) "Don't kill the goose that layed the golden egg" and
2) "We need to pay our fair share"

BD

 

A CPI+ increase beyond amendable date would ensure that pilots are not penalized for the company or the union dragging out negotiations. This provision is the ultimate in status quo maintenance as it preserves the last pay rate in terms of real dollars.

A5S

 

30% DOS W/full retro to 12/31/19 & 25% DC is a pipe dream and will achieve nothing except getting us parked by the NMB. THE reason DL walked out of negotiations is because of our idiotic 11B ask, 25% DC, 1M plus up and MB scheme to appease the Top 20%….who are mostly now gone. These’s still a few loud & angry Chit Chatters left that pack the LEC meetings and spam the Reps with mass emails. 25-30% is probably achievable over 3 years and maybe a bump up to 17-18% DC. TVM of money is a REAL thing and we COULD have had pay raises all along had we opened with something realistic and in the ZOR, which is WIDELY recognized by the NMB. Nope…we went in angry & hot and pounded the table and demanded what we wanted…not what was achievable…and we got parked.

Should we Pi$$ away another 3 years demanding 30% & 25% DC???

Write your Reps. Don’t buy into what the Anger merchants are selling.

 

Three or four months ago I was having a serious bar conversation with a couple of guys about the contract. When asked what it would take for me to vote yes I said 30% DOS, 20% DC plus some reigning in of the reroute shenanigans and a reasonable retro payment were my absolute bare minimums. I was literally laughed out of the place. It's encouraging to at last see some folks coming around to the idea.

 

Exactly!!!!!

 

1 month ago I thought 30% seemed crazy. Now? I think it’s the baseline.

 

Capt I just flew with is a yes at 10/5/5 and a signing bonus. Hopefully just one of the 10% always votes yes group.