30% Raise DOS and 25% DC
08-27-2022 | 09:56 AM
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I think it's fair to do a CPI raise until DOS. Date of signing it should be significant.
08-27-2022 | 09:59 AM
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08-27-2022 | 10:01 AM
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Only 30% to get a yes vote? JK..
Genuine question here, but what can Deltas financial actually support? Could we support a 30 percent pay increase on DOS and a 25% DC? I definitely want that like you do but I am willing to see the entire package overall vs just make one issue a yes or a no vote.
Genuine question here, but what can Deltas financial actually support? Could we support a 30 percent pay increase on DOS and a 25% DC? I definitely want that like you do but I am willing to see the entire package overall vs just make one issue a yes or a no vote.
08-27-2022 | 10:02 AM
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The regionals don't have a hiring problem, they have a retention problem on pilots with 1000hrs of 121 time. No amount of money is going to solve that issue, so the Mesa rates are straight charity to that pilot group.
08-27-2022 | 10:06 AM
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Airlines absolutely just a hiring problem on the low end. With Skywest, their main competition out west, significantly raising their rates, they were at risk of losing all their recruits. But when you want something, like competitive first year rates so you can keep the airline operating, you have to get the rest of the group to vote yes to it. That's called "leverage."
08-27-2022 | 11:02 AM
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Jan 1 2020-5%
Jan 1 2021-6%
Jan 1 2022-7%
DOS 2022-8.5%
which is close to 30% on DOS, and full retro, is reasonable and achievable.
08-27-2022 | 11:14 AM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
New hire Jumpseater came up to check in. He asked if we heard anything on the contract. Told him we TA'd 3%/2 & 2. He instantly responded with a tall one finger salute :-)
Glad to we are hiring pilots who have are experienced at this rodeo :-)
Glad to we are hiring pilots who have are experienced at this rodeo :-)
08-27-2022 | 11:15 AM
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I agree. I truly believe the only way regionals will be staffed is by offering some form of longevity credit when flowing to mainline partner. That pilot who jumps to an LCC might think twice if they wait to flow and can show up at year 3 pay for example. Easy solution is flow X per month, but mark down longevity dates for 2X pilots. Even if you flow in two years, you’ll come in with one year longevity in the bank. Gets you over the first year pay and things like that. Feels less like wasted time waiting it out at the regionals and less temping to bail for an LCC.
08-27-2022 | 11:40 AM
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Only 30% to get a yes vote? JK..
Genuine question here, but what can Deltas financial actually support? Could we support a 30 percent pay increase on DOS and a 25% DC? I definitely want that like you do but I am willing to see the entire package overall vs just make one issue a yes or a no vote.
Genuine question here, but what can Deltas financial actually support? Could we support a 30 percent pay increase on DOS and a 25% DC? I definitely want that like you do but I am willing to see the entire package overall vs just make one issue a yes or a no vote.
Well, Ed ****ed away over $10 Billion on stock buy backs. So the answer is they can easily double our pay.
Jet fuel more than doubled. Did Delta close the doors? No, they made massive profits.
Let’s not negotiate against ourselves.
If I said Mesa pilot should have these raises 2 years ago, Sailing and the water boys here would have burned me at the stake.
Now that it is a reality, they shift the narrative.
