Lol. Right. You got me.

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I want them to stop wasting the leverage we have. It ain't gonna last forever.

Greatest thing about this job is leaving it behind me at release. I’m happy to have a few bubbas field our stupid questions at all hours of the day every day of the week. If they make a few bucks for their availability and eye gouging meetings, meh.

You know, as a line pilot you can just fly your trips, go home and turn your phone off and go about your day. Your ALPA volunteers can’t do that. They work all days of the week for the most part. And it’s a thankless job for many. If you don’t like something then go volunteer and change it. Oh that’s right, probably making too much picking up green slips.

OR… You could have a labor organization like APA where the Negotiating Chairman is flying premium trips every single month. A lot of Delta pilots live in a bubble. You don’t know how good it is here with our labor representation.

This is funny on several levels. Not the least of which is I suspect you haven’t actually gone back to see the schedule(s) in question.

You’re literally defending the type of behavior you’re condemning. :p

You are correct, that is what we have done and it will end up putting far less money in our pockets and working longer under lesser work rules. Smart beats tough every time.

If they’re doing that here then I think that’s reprehensible.

Even a recession isn’t a concessionary environment.

Nobody was talking concessions. Now that we have gone down the moon shot strategy however we should request a release from arbitration within 30 days. Delaying will not work in our favor.

The longer we delay, the deeper the recession, the weaker our position. It really is that simple. So get Ambrosi out, get the guy in that's going to do the job and let's roll.

Unless on probation?

It also shows how little he knows about how the process works to 'volunteer'.

except last time

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“release from arbitration”?

Bro, do you even NMB?

Simple Flying is covering this:

https://simpleflying.com/delta-air-l...-october-2022/

Trust me when I say I'm smiling ear to ear.

Get on with getting released from mediation.

Get on with forcing President Biden to call a Presidential Emergency Board.

We all know after the (many expletives) way Delta treated Karlene Pettit that Delta Management needs an a$$-kicking.

He's 100% right. Our MEC is shooting for the moon. I might not agree, but the die has been cast.

Now is the time. Asking "please" another dozen times isn't going to cut it.

"You are beaten to earth? Well, well, what's that?
Come up with a smiling face.
It's nothing against you to fall down flat,
But to lie there -- that's disgrace.
The harder you're thrown, why the higher you bounce;
Be proud of your blackened eye!
It isn't the fact that you're licked that counts,
It's how did you fight -- and why?" - Edmund Vance Cooke

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgDCoH79kyo

I guess we know how you voted. Keep listening to your 4th floor toadies while the rest of us do the heavy lift. No need to thank us when it’s all over.

Our ask last time was reasonable. Our ask this time dwarfed what TA2 cost the company.

i know plenty.

As it should!

Have you checked the price of a loaf of bread? Or an average airline ticket?

We are talking about 2019 when are entire opener was presented to the company.

So $28M would have done it for you?

Thanks, fellas! Cheers!

I second the rat, all in favor!?

In favor

10 CHAR

When the company was printing $6B annually, had thrown $12B into the fireplace of stock buybacks, $1B on an “oops” fuel hedge that failed, many Billions on JV’s, etc.

it was totally reasonable to expect the company to “invest” in us. Since then, they have committed $12+B on various terminals, including $3.2B on LAX alone.

They undeniably have the cash.

“O” and “A” are opposite ends of the keyboard. As are the rest of the letters on a QWERTY keyboard. I am sympathetic to DYAC, without even being a grammar Nazi, that shows how out to lunch Sailing is.

Sailing just wants a quick deal since his days here are numbered. I’ll never understand how blind he can be to the reality of others.

He wanted a quick deal 8 years ago as well. This mindset isn’t new but luckily it’s petering out.

Which one was TA1?

Nah.

Don’t think it’s smart. But I think it’s right. Best choice out of a heap o bad choices.

Voted yes. In for a penny, in for a pound.

See you on the picket line. The REAL picket line. (The one that gambles permanent pilot unemployment for a slightly better deal.

Still, this management leadership made it trivially easy. Just in case though…What was that name of that truck driving school? I might need that.)

This is rhetorical, so no need to answer. You said you didn’t vote for TA1 but did you vote “No” or just not vote?

For the love of god, please tell me you weren’t part of the 4% this time or even the very special 1%.

I’m really impressed by this pilot group.
I can’t think of a question that could’ve been sent out that would’ve garnered a higher turnout with such a strong percentage.
Even if the question was to vote for world peace, free beer, or a million dollars, the turnout and percentage wouldn’t have been as good. We will always have 4-5% who are company men, disillusioned by ALPA, oblivious, or aloof.
This was huge!

Agreed. Very proud to be a Delta pilot today. Getting a large group humans to vote 99% in favor of something is a huuuuuge accomplishment.

Another 2.5B for failed JVs over the course of COVID to add to the list above.

EB has been painting rosy pictures of company health at the latest LCA meetings. Profitability back to 2019 levels and better. Investments in all sections of the company except for.... us.

The company has money. They have over the last few decades conditioned us to accept a reset of labor costs. The question going forward is we will keep allowing it?

Just goes to show you how much the pilot group is tired of getting thank yous. Very proud to be a delta pilot today. I really didnt think we could pull it off with the amount of hats/lanyards I have seen (by those clearly not on probation) but glad they were able to put their lack of common sense behind them and vote in favor of a strike. Now, let's get to striking!

Amazing job!

Not true - North Korea does it all the time!

FIFY

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Its amazing to me how ignorant pilots can be on a process that is so important. Instead of carefully reading the union Comm’s they rely on forums. The 28 million number you reference was what we gained in a handful of very low cost sections that were closed out at that time. Those sections probably had a total value of 120 million so yes I was happy with 28 million in improvements. I have also posted repeatedly that I was looking for a contract total gain of about 1 billion in year one. That would have been a 20% net gain. I do realize that is paltry compared to the 60% plus net gain we demanded.
When we get this contract done I bet it’s right around that one billion number just 4 years late and a tremendous gain by the company with losing more than a contract cycle and a tremendous loss to the pilots. A loss that will carry forward contract after contract.
By opening for a 3 billion plus contract we assured the company a victory. Now we are just trying to define the terms and salvage what we can.