Any news / drama out of the DTW meeting?

There was a bit of contention about the contract between a former UNA pilot and Burns. He says the company has an “industry leading” contract on the table and basically insinuates that ALPA isn’t playing ball. As usual a bunch of company rhetoric and finger pointing bull****.

What’s kind of sad is they don’t even try to pretend that their offer is as much as they can afford. They think leading the industry that hasn’t had a peer ratify a contract since inflation blew up is somehow something to tout??? They dry run these talking points on third graders.

No, scratch that. Even third graders have v recognized the need to boost their allowance just to keep up inflationary rises on LOL dolls and playstation games. I don’t think they’ve tried these talking points on anyone but themselves and their yes men.

I guess Burns must be touting a 30% pay raise, full retro, all QOL enhancements, min day pay, CQ pay, full pay for vacation, and positive space...that would be industry leading, I wonder if that's what Burns is talking about....eye roll.

Ha now that’s funny right there!

Are you guys saying Mr Burns doesn't hold DALPA in the highest regard?

Scoop :D

Mr Burns

LOL!

Reminiscing about the clip of Homer Simpson getting the Union President job clip (Local Chapter International Brotherhood of Jazz Dancers, Pastry Chefs, and Nuclear Technicians)...

The money quote:

What does the job pay?

Nothing!

'Doh!

Unless you're crooked.

Whooo-hooo!

(Not to imply that ALPA is crooked. Mostly. Funny for reasons though).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyeUGo1k1R4

Single data point this evening...had a dinner event with complete strangers. First question when I mentioned working for Delta: "You guys are going on strike, right?"

A5S

I wonder how much it pays to sell your soul to the devil? Funny he went through 9/11 and his wife making fun of him for not being able to upgrade but he doesn't understand the plight of the average line pilot at Delta. Maybe for him it doesn't take a lot of money to sell his soul.

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Seems like a lot abstained instead of voting in this small union of mechanics. 7 out of 12 unions have approved the TA, 2 rejected.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-...ct-2022-11-05/

Hey all,

As someone still on probation, are we allowed to put the ALPA strike luggage tags on our bags? Don’t see anything in the FOM..


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When you check in there is a very specific almost hidden selection you must make if you want a upgrade to EC. First is automatic, EC requires extra steps.

I’m not sure if it’s in a book, but if I was you I’d wait until off probation. We appreciate your desire to support ALPA, but we all understand.

fixed your post. It's subtle, but an important difference.

The gate agents also won’t come get you it EC opens after you board to main. Pick your poison - board late in hopes of an upgrade or board early and have space to stow your stuff.

I log in and look at the seats to make a decision. You can make a good guess. Once you board you are removed from standby lists. Good agents do seem to upgrade early.

When is the MEC Chair election?

Flew two trips recently, been in ATL quite a bit. I have seen 1 hat wearer in the last 3-4 weeks. Flight standards pilots I’ve seen have all been hatless.

As with all big orgs, there’s a small segment that thinks they’re “insiders,” and that’s more important to them than representing the union.

We’re all just numbers.

Funny, I just received an MEC email from someone lobbying for the position, so it must be on the horizon.

Someone famous. Or infamous, depending on who/what you believe.

Not a lobbying/anti lobbying board here, I'll just note it's worth reading your MEC communications for this.

Yeah. Saw that. About spit out my coffee. Almost wanna vote for her just to see if Ed’s head explodes. Almost.

Why almost?

Well, cause i don’t get a vote. All i can do is write my reps and say please don’t vote for her. And if we did have direct election I’d say the kind of leadership she would provide would be a little too militant to deal with the kind of management a delta. I fear the whole operating budget of our MEC would be spent on lawyers and court costs with not enough positive outcomes.

She's toxic beyond belief. She "ran for MEC Chair" last election as well. But she literally had about half a paragraph about the MEC election, and the rest was her side of the story of her fight with the company. In other words, she "ran for MEC chair" to get a free ALPA email push to the entire seniority list--I don't appreciate that.

She's doing it again, but now more like the worthless "hats off" campaign, she seems to be doing it as a giant "FU" to the company. She doesn't seem to me to have any desire to actually take the helm and assume the many duties of an MEC Chair.

Her email reads really great if you imagine it shouted from a balcony by Benito Mussolini.

Real Charlie Bryan vibes. (Eastern Airlines Mechanics Union)

But Delta isn't Eastern, and Ed isn't Frank Lorenzo.(thank god)

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Nice little obit about him in Forbes. Love him or hate him, he was both colorful and a fighter. Very much a part of airline history, but , well, lots of asterisks to the story.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed...h=3ce4a6f81456

Last LCA meeting “management doesn’t care about hats and lanyards”

interpretation - hats are now optional, forever

I’m gonna go with that.

You do know how her fight with the company turned out don't you?

But playing devil's advocate, maybe we DO need someone that will send a giant FU to the company. I have been a koolaid drinking ALPA supporter for the VAST majority of my 31 years here, but the things I have seen starting with Ambrosi make me want to throw up. And as far as her using ALPA for a free email push, just how much free beer and pizza do you think the reps have eaten at all those Pub events? Have you ever been to one? How much free liquor have they drunk at the Ambrosi campaign parties? I'll bet you a pitcher of Margaritas that Ambrosi doesn't do a ****ing thing for the Delta pilots once his ass goes thru the door to DC. At least KP won't be campaigning for that job on our dime. And where you got that " she doesn't seem to have... of the MEC chair" I will never know. Have you even read her letter? The best part about it is how she will hold the reps accountable in the voting. And at least she has written a letter to us. Where are the other candidates' letters? (Hint: they don't need them because it is all in the bag already). The good ole boys club lives on.

And I'll bet Hartman and Kramers letters will read great if you imagine them being read by Neville Chamberlain.

Agreed.

The more you read the less you like of her.

Honest question out of ignorance... What's the expectation for Endevor pilots if Delta's pilots actually go out on strike? Holding picket signs and shutting its operation down or cover Delta's flying with its 900's?

Nobody reads ‘Flying the Line’ I or II anymore. It’s a shame.

There is even a podcast where you can listen to it, like a book on tape.

Those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it.

You can’t cover the flying because that is struck work.

It even has a picture of Dr Phil in it! To be fair to those who haven’t, it isn’t the easiest or most exciting read.

I do. There were NO "good guys" here--not her, certainly not the company, who screwed up royally as well. I have no sympathy for them.

What kind of things? I try to give every MEC administration the benefit of the doubt, including JA's. I am not aware of anything distasteful, but I'll admit I deliberately stay away from daily emails to my reps.

Of course I have. Especially the "gems" like:

- arbitrators have been "purchased" by management
- the company uses the HIMS program to "terrorize" pilots (funny, I've only read good things about how it has "saved lives" in any other communique about the program, which I am thankful I am not fully aware of the particulars)
- ALPA leaders "look the other way"
- ALPA leaders "stab the members in the back" in order to crawl into mgmt positions
- ALPA leadership is a bunch of "puppets" who smile, tell us what we want to hear, then do the opposite
- pilots aspiring to be MEC Chair do so so that they can work their way into a mgmt job
- dues are excessively high (okay I agree there)

I just don't see a collective MEC rallying around her

It's possible that if she is elected (unlikely) that perhaps she becomes an exceptional chair. Sort of how sometimes little-known college football players become NFL Hall of Famers. But those cases are the exception. But if this proves out, I'll eat crow.

That would be considered struck work. Highly unlikely the company would even want that outcome. They would likely fly a reduced schedule where it made sense with no mainline operation.

With our incoming MEC chairman we will never have to worry about going on strike. He didn’t even want the strike vote to be taken. You can forget about anybody “throwing rocks” at the company. It’s sad to me that the LEC has chosen the path of proactive engagement but they are a political organization and deals have been made.

Who’s our incoming chairman? Didn’t know they had already voted.

Pilot's aren't supposed to cross other pilot's strike lines.

Same thing happened at NWA.

they make it “their idea” and it doesn’t bother them