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Originally Posted by Iceberg
(Post 3514980)
Some cruises are long.
No rewards for sending inexperienced negotiators lacking job knowledge. No rewards for dragging their feet. No rewards for public negotiations and attempting to pit other employee groups against us. Retro is a must as a deterrent to this same BS next negotiation.[/QUOTE] The RLA favors management in dragging out negotiations. An IRONCLAD retro policy is the only possible way to offset that. And it needs to be implemented ALPA-wide, profession wide if possible. |
Originally Posted by notEnuf
(Post 3515018)
An escalator clause is a better way.
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Originally Posted by gzsg
(Post 3514269)
James Bond was a little confused.
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 3515360)
thanks for posting it. It's toothless and weak and means nothing
2020: 1% retro 2021: 1% retro 2022: 1% retro See!?!? We got 3 years of "full" retro........ Resolution was mostly symbolic. |
Full retro means that the date of signing percentage increase is fully retroactive to the amendable date. That’s what it means to any reasonable person. Anything else is just playing games and doesn’t meet a standard of reasonableness as it applies to that terminology.
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Originally Posted by Flownit
(Post 3515512)
Full retro means that the date of signing percentage increase is fully retroactive to the amendable date. That’s what it means to any reasonable person. Anything else is just playing games and doesn’t meet a standard of reasonableness as it applies to that terminology.
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Originally Posted by Flownit
(Post 3515512)
Full retro means that the date of signing percentage increase is fully retroactive to the amendable date. That’s what it means to any reasonable person. Anything else is just playing games and doesn’t meet a standard of reasonableness as it applies to that terminology.
My hunch is that not everyone has the same reasonableness standard as you think they might. |
Originally Posted by Flownit
(Post 3515512)
Full retro means that the date of signing percentage increase is fully retroactive to the amendable date. That’s what it means to any reasonable person. Anything else is just playing games and doesn’t meet a standard of reasonableness as it applies to that terminology.
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I’m not saying I have a guess as to what we’ll get. But if someone says “I want full retro,” that’s the expectation. Fully retroactive pay rate. I’ll let the union negotiators decide what makes sense to put to a TA vote. I’ve let the reps know what I’d like to see and I don’t need to negotiate it in public, but that term does have a meaning.
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Originally Posted by Bottlen0se
(Post 3515549)
Are you suggesting that with a hypothetical 20% DOS, a retro payout would be 20% of all earnings from Jan 2020 to present? I’d say zero percent chance of this happening.
With a 20% raise applied across all fleets I come up with a very rough estimate of about a $36/hr raise for all pilots (obviously some will see more, some less). 72 hrs x 36 mos x $36 = approx $93k per pilot $93k/pilot x 14,000 pilots = $1.3B for full retro. Doesn't really seem like a cosmic ask to me. |
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