who said this?

That mentality is such a small subsection of UNAs. That’s like saying “there were old hats that voted down 20-04 because they were furloughed and now it’s the UNA’s turn”.

Do those people exist? Sure, but it was such a small number that categorizing an entire subsection of pilots this way is misleading at best and irresponsible at worst.

What “crap” was in 20-04? I don’t think anyone hated having PS, lower TLV, lower GS triggers, etc.

Very few of any. Just like all the other people of “I heard this” mafia. Designed to divide.

Never heard any UNA say this. Most were appreciative it was voted in, especially the other wins in the LOA. And this sets precedent for going forward, when it may be them on the other end. You (not you specifically) would be surprised by the newer pilots on property and how they pay attention to contracts, QOL, and all. They flew crappy regional or military schedules. Mainline is supposed to be the peak, and they want it that way.

well said. I would love to see a yearly escalator rather than set pay tables, and retro pay as if we had that in 2019. If forced to choose, the escalator would be my priority. It would change the whole profession for the better.

I hope that mentality is in the vast minority of UNAs. UNAs had the best deal at the airline during Covid


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It is very easy to say that in retrospect, but not when they sent out letter after letter with furlough numbers and you didn’t know when your pay was getting cut off. Don’t forget they were even going to short us on furlough pay.

Yeah it worked out in the end, thank god, but it was not like “oh just sit home and collect UNA pay until this is all over”.

and FWIW I’ve thanked everybody I’ve flown with for the COBRA/Furlough avoidance LOAs that were passed. Nobody has ever made it a big deal beyond “that’s what we do”.

We have 0 reason to divide the pilot group right now. Stay unified.

Agreed. What was negotiated for them was great. The company’s antics during that time left much to be desired as well.

In all fairness, so did some of their union brethren, who decided to vote against the LOA. Hence the beef.

hindsight is 20/20. I would MUCH rather have been the bottom NYC220B than gone through UNA. I think most who went through it would agree with me.

also there was a small but very vocal group that was trying to torpedo the LOAs. I never heard anything close to a compelling reason not to vote for 20-04 but I remember daily FB posts by a particular CA about how we can’t possibly vote for this and how awful it is. I don’t think it helps that this person is one of the main FB posters now asking for unity and we need to be resolved on retro.

to be clear, we absolutely need to support retro for everyone, including retirees. I think most of us owe it especially VEOPers because I think the only reason DL didn’t furlough was because of all the early outs.

I have a short memory what did they get? I’d say the VEOPs got the best deal, if you were 58 or older or anyone contemplating retirement it was the deal of the century. WB pilots who managed to go NQ got a huge amount of paid time off. There were lots of good deals going around.