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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
(Post 3518048)
Agreed. And frankly I am irritated and surprised at how willing some in this pilot group are to roll over and give the company a pass on retro. Anything less than full retro for all is an easy NO for me.
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Originally Posted by boog123
(Post 3517913)
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FB, “I will vote yes on a contract that does not include retro for retirees. I remember the sentiment in this group for demonstrating any willingness whatsoever to help those at the bottom of the seniority list 2 years ago. I will be reciprocating that amount of willingness to help those at the top (technically not even on) the seniority list now.” It’s on the internet it must be true!!! Outrage!!!!!!! |
Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
(Post 3518071)
So one post? That’s what you are basing it on? YGBSM.
It’s on the internet it must be true!!! Outrage!!!!!!! |
One of the many reasons you include retirees in the retro is so the 63+ crowd doesn’t try to accept a substandard contract just to grab something before they head out the door. You want them to hold out for a good contract.
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Originally Posted by MoonShot
(Post 3518123)
One of the many reasons you include retirees in the retro is so the 63+ crowd doesn’t try to accept a substandard contract just to grab something before they head out the door. You want them to hold out for a good contract.
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Hate to say it...but end of the day what votes, the retiree or the active pilot? I am 100% for retro to include those who left before us (retiree or VEOP) be paid up to their departing date...but the union knows who votes and what vote counts...It's the active pilots. The eskimos just set a bar that isn't necessarily something Delta pilots would accept, however, it proves the point that when given a choice, pilot's will always vote what helps themselves out, and it is hard to argue for or against that.
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Originally Posted by MoonShot
(Post 3518123)
One of the many reasons you include retirees in the retro is so the 63+ crowd doesn’t try to accept a substandard contract just to grab something before they head out the door. You want them to hold out for a good contract.
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Originally Posted by zippinbye
(Post 3516189)
Asking because I’m not sure: when have Delta pilots NOT received retro pay? Wouldn’t that be more of a precedent than what the Eskimo got?
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Originally Posted by formerdal
(Post 3518263)
I don't believe we have ever received full retro!
I was told C2K (2001) had pay rates back to the amendable date |
Originally Posted by Nantonaku
(Post 3518166)
Not sure the dynamics at Alaska but didn’t they just vote in a deal without retro? The bar has been set (low). People are going to single issue vote based on retro vs bonus?
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