Herkflyr

Earlier this month I had a generic 2-day WS request in. The company covered it with my name (it was a maintenance ferry), then immediately NOOP'ed it before ARCOS even started ringing, then pay protected me for it with no recovery obligation. I didn't see any of it until I logged into iCrew a couple of hours later. 10.30 pay literally for having a pulse and a WS request in.

There's lots of this going on due to the vast inexperience of the scheduling folks. Of course for every "windfall" like mine there's serioius shortchanging going on as well. I'm not diminishing the concerns at all.

But sometimes, "with chaos there is opportunity" and sometimes their mistakes lead to some extra coin for us.

OOfff

errors aren’t balanced because it’s illogical that they would be. Underpayments are (generally) errors of omission, while overpayments are (generally) errors of commission. The former is naturally and logically far more common in any system.

crewdawg

Over 50% of the time this year (I've actually kept track lol), I've had to call to get my PB days even applied. I can't even imagine how many lost PB days there have been because pilots aren't paying attention and/or don't truly understand how many PB days work, especially the PR. I've gotten paid out once this year for misapplication of the coverage latter and I've gotten at least 2 or 3 people payed for the same thing. These are just the things I've caught because I happen to be paying attention....and again, all of this is just this year and I'm just 1 of 14,000+.

Buck Rogers

This ^^^is the logical answer.

Those that see this as a nefarious plot by mgt/schedulers to purposely short change us $$$ aren't being very practical. It's the old left/right dilemma on most things. take the justice system for example. One innocent person wrongly imprisoned equals the whole justice system is biased/racist/unfair/whateves???? Just because there are errors (as OOfff points out will typically not be in our favor due to the nature of the beast), it does not mean the whole system is corrupt. Aggravating yes! Unexpected or purposeful...?

41,000 hours recovered due to pay errors sounds incredibly bad, but as I pointed out before, it's about 15minutes per month per pilot. Bad that it happens, but not unexpected, nor the end of the world. I would imagine most of them are the results of RR.

Therefore, be it resolved that...... the new contract stipulates that four ALPA full time FPL positions be paid by Delta to review these RR's to catch the errors which are of the companies making and invariably go against the pilot.

There.... problem and solution.

Gunfighter

or be it resolved that Delta inserts a couple lines of code to automatically pay RR.

captkdobbs

"...a couple lines of code..." At DL??!!! No one can write DOS code any more. That change would take several million lines most likey.

OOfff

DBMS is six million lines of code, in a system that runs as a real-time platform for one of the most complex 24/7/365 logistical problems in business. Changing that is not simple.

Nothing is ever as simple as pilots think it is.

TED74

Coding green slip coverage to what-if the effects of sick leave and reorder pilot hierarchy was not simple…but the company got it done. Coding 117 isn’t straightforward, but they had to do it.

Where there is a will, there is a way. Where there is a savings to continually screwing it up in the company’s favor…well, apparently there isn’t a way.

Nantonaku

I don't believe you. 6 million lines of code? What is it programmed in? And what is a "real-time platform"? Do some companies run a non-real-time platform? What are the most complex logistical problems in business? I have no doubt the system is not simple and I have no doubt it is a huge mess but I also think you are wrong about some of these smaller isolated issues. An issue like a PB day is highly isolated to a small part of the system that would not be hard to fix. It doesn't matter how many lines of code the system has, there are multiple isolated issues that don't effect other things that they could fix if they wanted to with little to no risk to the rest of the system.

Buck Rogers

So....make Delta pay for some dedicated people to check their work. Provides jobs for line pilots or retired schedulers. If the cost is too great for Delta they will fix it. Sounds pretty simple. Proven track record of effing it up therefore, it is up to them to fix it and if they are unwilling, then they need to foot the bill so DALPA can follow the bread crumbs. Simple, logical and a pillar of being a responsible employer.

Why are we arguing about how hard or easy it is to fix? All I really care about are the results.

Proven, documented problem...."Delta, you are cheating your workers." "Do the stand up thing and either fix it, or pay for the overhead so DALPA can at least pay the employee what he is owed"!!!

Make it part of the contract...it is a no cost item. If they want to assign a cost, that would not fit their "woke" mantra and would be unethical....IMHO