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Iceberg 10-29-2022 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 3522772)
Do you see anything in there showing our costs being the highest in the industry? We are under AA and United and right in line with SWA.

I didn’t, but am busy today and don’t have time to really look into it. A quick glance at it on my phone showed me I needed more time and a bigger screen.

Ar Pilot 10-29-2022 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 3522772)
Do you see anything in there showing our costs being the highest in the industry? We are under AA and United and right in line with SWA.


Yep. 2019 data.. DAL, UAL and AA are all within $50~ total cost per block hour. Going on the metric we aren’t any more “expensive” than the other airlines.

4myfamily 10-29-2022 08:45 PM


Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux (Post 3522846)
I’m waiting for the “Currently at Delta, but have job offers at Mesa and Endeavor; which one?” thread.


I’m waiting for the EDV thread that says “Staple Delta”…we still have Nick James - (EDV MEC chairman.)

Theoden9 10-31-2022 05:28 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3522805)
But but sailing said....

Perhaps sailing got to this page by accident years ago and is actually from a different union.
https://www.sailors.org/

PilotBases 10-31-2022 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by 4myfamily (Post 3523051)
I’m waiting for the EDV thread that says “Staple Delta”…we still have Nick James - (EDV MEC chairman.)

He probably gets on the Delta list next week.

Iceberg 10-31-2022 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 3522772)
Do you see anything in there showing our costs being the highest in the industry? We are under AA and United and right in line with SWA.

Perhaps sailingfun could chime in with the specific metric he was using that put us as least productive.

sailingfun 10-31-2022 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 3523656)
Perhaps sailingfun could chime in with the specific metric he was using that put us as least productive.

Done it at least a dozen times on here. Tired of repeating it. Simple version we averaged 40 to 42 block hours per pilot pre 911. In around 2007 we were up to 52 or so hours per pilot. In 2018-19 back to about 40 to 42. You can simply view all the work rule changes over the various time frames and the numbers make sense. I posted those also.

Banzai 10-31-2022 09:01 AM

Anecdotes aren’t data, but in 2018-2019 I was getting really sick of deadheading constantly and flying 5 day trips with 3 different CAs.

My block hours on a trip were probably down, but not my time riding an airplane. But hey, if the company decides that’s how they’re going to build trips…

(Actually, I hated all the DH time. It’s not like I was getting first class seats, or even comfort+. And DHing just gets annoying anyway.)

FangsF15 10-31-2022 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3523687)
Done it at least a dozen times on here. Tired of repeating it. Simple version we averaged 40 to 42 block hours per pilot pre 911. In around 2007 we were up to 52 or so hours per pilot. In 2018-19 back to about 40 to 42. You can simply view all the work rule changes over the various time frames and the numbers make sense. I posted those also.

Do you think being in Bankruptcy "around 2007" has anything to do with that spike in productivity?

Iceberg 10-31-2022 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3523687)
Done it at least a dozen times on here. Tired of repeating it. Simple version we averaged 40 to 42 block hours per pilot pre 911. In around 2007 we were up to 52 or so hours per pilot. In 2018-19 back to about 40 to 42. You can simply view all the work rule changes over the various time frames and the numbers make sense. I posted those also.

If I recall correctly, 2018-2019 was a pretty profitable timeframe. I would assume the factors that push us lower on block hours also work to push up the revenue. I also wonder how large amounts of hiring factored into utilization rates.

Do you pull your data from the MIT website? I was starting to compare a few air lines but when I saw that American is listed with 32,647 pilots for 2018 I began to question the accuracy. Anyone else notice irregularities?


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