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sailingfun 10-28-2022 10:51 AM
Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 3522102)
Do they rationalize all the churn caused by fleet changes? DC9, 747, 777, MD88, MD90, 717, 220, 350… Am I forgetting any? How about base changes? Stop using a bankruptcy era contract as a baseline, what do things look like when compared to prior contracts?
Are productivity in 2019 was almost exactly the same as 2000. We reached the bottom in about 2007 and improved back to 2000 levels since.

Nantonaku 10-28-2022 10:54 AM
Originally Posted by Casualinterest (Post 3522209)
I’m kinda curious how we’re “unproductive” I’m not disagreeing just curious how you mean. In a bubble and with an admittedly short sample size, I’m waaay more productive here than I ever was at endeavor. I had years where I blocked around 300 but credited over 1100. At a (then) much lower pay rate of course.

or do you mean less productive than other majors
He is full of it, he uses some number from 4 years ago showing that pilots here are like $1300 per block hour. It is totally made up and doesn't take into account a multitude of factors that could be used to really average out pilot costs but this number is used to temper our expectations. The Union could probably come up with a number showing we are the cheapest of the big 3. Total manipulation and it means nothing.

JamesBond 10-28-2022 11:13 AM
Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 3522213)
He is full of it, he uses some number from 4 years ago showing that pilots here are like $1300 per block hour. It is totally made up and doesn't take into account a multitude of factors that could be used to really average out pilot costs but this number is used to temper our expectations. The Union could probably come up with a number showing we are the cheapest of the big 3. Total manipulation and it means nothing.
Just suppose that it IS true that we are unproductive. So what. What can WE do about it? WE don't build the schedules. Management does.

Boatbuilder 10-28-2022 11:25 AM
Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3522226)
Just suppose that it IS true that we are unproductive. So what. What can WE do about it? WE don't build the schedules. Management does.
On several occasions I’ve deadheaded to an outstation and flown back only to have the same crew that flew me there DH back. Productivity?

CX500T 10-28-2022 11:29 AM
Originally Posted by Boatbuilder (Post 3522233)
On several occasions I’ve deadheaded to an outstation and flown back only to have the same crew that flew me there DH back. Productivity?
I had this so many times over the Spring/Summer.. Reserve assignment or GS, fly to or from FL from NYC. Full 2 pilot crew, off reserve or on a GS going the other way. Not even close to pushing duty day or block hour limits.

Iceberg 10-28-2022 12:08 PM
Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3522210)
Are productivity in 2019 was almost exactly the same as 2000. We reached the bottom in about 2007 and improved back to 2000 levels since.
What is your metric for this and where are you sourcing it? Can you also provide how it is being rationalized to account for a bankruptcies, a merger, multiple fleet parkings and launches? Thanks.

Iceberg 10-28-2022 12:10 PM
Originally Posted by Boatbuilder (Post 3522233)
On several occasions I’ve deadheaded to an outstation and flown back only to have the same crew that flew me there DH back. Productivity?
That must be why the deadhead section got parked. We use it too much for unnecessary reasons, and now have the gall to ask for improvements.

JamesBond 10-28-2022 12:19 PM
Originally Posted by Boatbuilder (Post 3522233)
On several occasions I’ve deadheaded to an outstation and flown back only to have the same crew that flew me there DH back. Productivity?
My point exactly.

OscarRomeo 10-28-2022 05:48 PM
Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3522210)
Are productivity in 2019 was almost exactly the same as 2000. We reached the bottom in about 2007 and improved back to 2000 levels since.
FFS…”Our”.

konabear 10-28-2022 06:32 PM
Originally Posted by OscarRomeo (Post 3522433)
FFS…”Our”.
Whom invited the grammer police?


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