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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 3521954)
How do you push that through the mediation process when you are already among the least productive pilot groups world wide.
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Originally Posted by interceptorpilo
(Post 3521973)
This is your same tired argument. We are not less “productive”. Management is due to their fleet/base structure and poorly managed AE/training system.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 3522092)
Strange how are productivity has run almost in lockstep with all the QOL improvements over the last 3 contracts. That would imply a contractual component. United is probably facing worse training issues then we are at the moment. As I mentioned in negotiations the fleet differences get accounted for and rationalized.
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
(Post 3521884)
I certainly agree that it is not "either/or" and that different folks have different priorities, and that changes over the course of a career and life. Also, I have long contended that great pay by itself contributes to "QOL" for fairly obvious reasons. And of course, strong contractual work rules are a must. This has all been discussed countless times.
But you have to acknowledge that over the years, there has been a steady current of smug, "I must love my family more than you because I don't fly greenslips" messaging by some. I've read pilots dismissing good pay raises as "a few shekels" and such tripe. Now somehow that is gospel. It isn't "either or" for either pay, or QOL. fixed it for ya ...but both are true and it isn't an either/or unless you are a management type trying to push the "priorities" agenda. |
We be getting trolled, hard. How else to explain this deal, plus all the rhetoric and company propaganda we're subjected to on deltanet .
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 3521954)
How do you push that through the mediation process when you are already among the least productive pilot groups world wide.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 3521972)
We have people smart enough to point out the issues to the mediator. It doesn’t move the bar much. We could probably trade better reserve day groupings and recovery for IOE dropped trips to get better across the board QOL changes but we seem to like a very capitalist contract instead of spreading the wealth.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 3521954)
How do you push that through the mediation process when you are already among the least productive pilot groups world wide.
I show up and fly my line as scheduled, as does everyone else, and it would be hard to squeeze much more out of me with these almost-max FDPs and short layovers. Our work rules, vacation and pay rates by and large aren’t much different from the other majors, so how are we are unproductive? I’m genuinely curious. Unless… by “world wide,” you’re comparing us to the overseas indentured servitude airlines. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 3522092)
Strange how are productivity has run almost in lockstep with all the QOL improvements over the last 3 contracts. That would imply a contractual component. United is probably facing worse training issues then we are at the moment. As I mentioned in negotiations the fleet differences get accounted for and rationalized.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 3521954)
How do you push that through the mediation process when you are already among the least productive pilot groups world wide.
or do you mean less productive than other majors |
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