18/5/5/5
11-23-2022 | 05:08 AM
#371
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 2,553
Likes: 100
From: Road construction signholder
We could have a TA that divided the entire GNP of the US by the number of pilots on the seniority list, and they would still vote no, because it didn't also include the GNP of Canada and Mexico.
11-23-2022 | 05:12 AM
#372
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 6,551
Likes: 295
From: Sitting SC at the Five Towns
Exactly. The NC on both sides are given guardrails. Only GH or Ed and the MEC have the authority to negotiate outside of those parameters. I guarantee you their negotiating committee doesn't get the authority to give us anywhere near our ask. The MEC needs to be there to give our negotiating committee authority as well. It helps when all the players are in the same hotel and can easily get ahold of their boss versus wait for them to answer an email..
Accurate. .
11-23-2022 | 05:17 AM
#373
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 194
Likes: 0
Solid prediction. I was leaning that way myself. Usually 25% are incapable of being with the consensus on any issue. This applies to society in general. So the very best case scenario would be 75-25. However, I think we have quite a few new pilots who have never experienced anything devastating at the legacy level. They will see the dollars and will be happy. They will also be happy with their QOL relative to where they came from. So, I skewed my initial take higher toward the best case scenario.
It’s all speculation. It’s just for fun.
11-23-2022 | 06:36 AM
#374
Line Holder
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,325
Likes: 9
From: 3fidy
11-23-2022 | 06:50 AM
#375
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 5,540
Likes: 506
I agree. On balance, it will be a solid gain for Delta pilots.
I’ll stick with my prediction of a “Christmas surprise” articulated in another thread. I will also stick with my belief we will see 100% retro back to Jan 1 2022, no retro for 2020 and 2021. I expect pay raise effective Jan 1 2023 will handily beat inflation for 2023, sufficient to back fill inflation for both 2021 and 2020. Out-year raises for 2024,25 will marginally exceed the 3 year rolling average inflation rate (currently 4.6%). Result: a 5 year period with a positive real rate increase of approximately 1% annually.
Most here will hate it and call for immediate demolition of the MEC and the airline.
The TA will pass 72-28.
**Disclosure**
Of course I’m a company planted trial balloon pilot. As an insider, I will absolutely confirm that this board accurately represents the opinions of the average pilot and management. It is a critical tool to formulate management’s table position.
I’ll stick with my prediction of a “Christmas surprise” articulated in another thread. I will also stick with my belief we will see 100% retro back to Jan 1 2022, no retro for 2020 and 2021. I expect pay raise effective Jan 1 2023 will handily beat inflation for 2023, sufficient to back fill inflation for both 2021 and 2020. Out-year raises for 2024,25 will marginally exceed the 3 year rolling average inflation rate (currently 4.6%). Result: a 5 year period with a positive real rate increase of approximately 1% annually.
Most here will hate it and call for immediate demolition of the MEC and the airline.
The TA will pass 72-28.
**Disclosure**
Of course I’m a company planted trial balloon pilot. As an insider, I will absolutely confirm that this board accurately represents the opinions of the average pilot and management. It is a critical tool to formulate management’s table position.
11-23-2022 | 06:58 AM
#377
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 654
Likes: 0
In this, the RLA gives all the power to the company. We have zero power to secure timely contracts. We may insist on full retro, but the company merely has to drag it out long enough to place it beyond reach.
11-23-2022 | 07:00 AM
#378
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,846
Likes: 97
I even thought we were not going to get so high of takers in the strike vote. I was very hesitant about thinking that the vote was going to pass. I was impressed and I’m sure the company though the same thing “these guys are all happy with te GS, payback, they are not going to vote to strike”.
11-23-2022 | 07:05 AM
#379
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 5,540
Likes: 506
Where the RLA works most aggressively against us is where the company can drag feet for long enough that “retro” becomes such a prohibitive cost item that it moves beyond the “zone of reasonableness”. Never mind how it got there, but if the company were to drag this along for, say, three more years, they could then make the claim that six years of retro is simply too much of a financial burden…unless, of course, the pilots are willing to give up a lot of things to get it.
In this, the RLA gives all the power to the company. We have zero power to secure timely contracts. We may insist on full retro, but the company merely has to drag it out long enough to place it beyond reach.
In this, the RLA gives all the power to the company. We have zero power to secure timely contracts. We may insist on full retro, but the company merely has to drag it out long enough to place it beyond reach.
Three years of full retro is sitting on the balance sheet. Three years without a contract would sink the company.
11-23-2022 | 07:18 AM
#380
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 7,292
Likes: 0
From: A350 Both
Question 1.... if said "AIP" is reached and sent out as a TA: Is retro pay calculated back to the amendable date, and are all those that worked under that time frame included, living or dead? If the answer is no, I don't even need another five minutes to vote on the rest.
