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11-22-2022, 12:51 PM
#341
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter;[url=tel:3536088
3536088[/url]]I get the process. It just feels cheap and leaves a bad taste. We deserve better treatment than stereotypical used car lot shenanigans. The theatrical display sends a message that our executive leadership doesn't have confidence in the ability of their minions. Apparently, Flt Ops leadership isn't capable and should be taken with a grain of salt. Should we only read memos from GH, since the appointees aren't capable of doing their jobs?
We could have a meaningful contract without the theatrics. IMHO, this is simply negotiation theater, so the mediator won't declare an impasse.
We could have a meaningful contract without the theatrics. IMHO, this is simply negotiation theater, so the mediator won't declare an impasse.
11-22-2022, 01:12 PM
#342
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Originally Posted by ebl14
So, if he is needed to make a deal why has it taken this long to get here? Our NC had the authority to ink a deal but the company has been sending people with no authority. This whole process is a joke and I hope we make this wait worth it or strike.
11-22-2022, 01:28 PM
#343
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Im cautiously optimistic. The outcome of next week is hugely consequential. We will either have a deal, or the mediator will telegraph direction by releasing us or putting us on ice. Regardless, for the first time in 3 years, we will know at the end of the week where this is all headed.
The mediator will see that as negotiating in good faith and will be unlikely to move in either direction. I’m cautiously optimistic as well, but I believe another inconsequential meeting is just as likely as a consequential one.
11-22-2022, 01:34 PM
#344
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Originally Posted by ancman
This could just as easily be the used car manager coming over to introduce himself and explain that he already offered a killer deal. He’ll insist that he couldn’t possibly knock off another cent. He *may* be able to throw in a year of free oil changes.
The mediator will see that as negotiating in good faith and will be unlikely to move in either direction. I’m cautiously optimistic as well, but I believe another inconsequential meeting is just as likely as a consequential one.
The mediator will see that as negotiating in good faith and will be unlikely to move in either direction. I’m cautiously optimistic as well, but I believe another inconsequential meeting is just as likely as a consequential one.
11-22-2022, 01:40 PM
#345
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
This is how it works. And a slight correction the NC actually doesn't have the authority to ink a deal. Only WE have that authority through memrat.
11-22-2022, 01:59 PM
#346
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
I get the process. It just feels cheap and leaves a bad taste. We deserve better treatment than stereotypical used car lot shenanigans. The theatrical display sends a message that our executive leadership doesn't have confidence in the ability of their minions. Apparently, Flt Ops leadership isn't capable and should be taken with a grain of salt. Should we only read memos from GH, since the appointees aren't capable of doing their jobs?
We could have a meaningful contract without the theatrics. IMHO, this is simply negotiation theater, so the mediator won't declare an impasse.
We could have a meaningful contract without the theatrics. IMHO, this is simply negotiation theater, so the mediator won't declare an impasse.
Originally Posted by CBreezy
Exactly. The NC on both sides are given guardrails. Only GH or Ed and the MEC have the authority to negotiate outside of those parameters. I guarantee you their negotiating committee doesn't get the authority to give us anywhere near our ask. The MEC needs to be there to give our negotiating committee authority as well. It helps when all the players are in the same hotel and can easily get ahold of their boss versus wait for them to answer an email..
11-22-2022, 02:01 PM
#347
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
It’s very telling. Also that they are all traveling to North Carolina, including the entire MEC (reps included) to physically be together. This is the endgame.
We need to heed the NC and MEC chairs admonitions to stay unified and resolute. Do NOT engage in rumors unless you heard it directly from their lips. Otherwise we undermine ourselves.
And knock off the distraction bickering over the incoming MEC chair. FOCUS.
We need to heed the NC and MEC chairs admonitions to stay unified and resolute. Do NOT engage in rumors unless you heard it directly from their lips. Otherwise we undermine ourselves.
And knock off the distraction bickering over the incoming MEC chair. FOCUS.
on the spot as usual! Unity now than ever is needed.
11-22-2022, 02:18 PM
#348
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Exactly. The NC on both sides are given guardrails. Only GH or Ed and the MEC have the authority to negotiate outside of those parameters. I guarantee you their negotiating committee doesn't get the authority to give us anywhere near our ask. The MEC needs to be there to give our negotiating committee authority as well. It helps when all the players are in the same hotel and can easily get ahold of their boss versus wait for them to answer an email..
Stay focused, line pilots. Do your jobs. Wear your lanyard, carry your lids. Do your job to the letter.
11-22-2022, 02:42 PM
#349
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Originally Posted by Crown
I was thinking exactly this. No longer are we dealing with the used car salesman who has to "go talk to the manager". The manager is in the room now. Either we walk away with an AIP after this, or we're on ice.
Stay focused, line pilots. Do your jobs. Wear your lanyard, carry your lids. Do your job to the letter.
Stay focused, line pilots. Do your jobs. Wear your lanyard, carry your lids. Do your job to the letter.
If we’re released to strike, it’s the company that isn’t being realistic.
Very easy to tell what the mediator thinks.
11-22-2022, 02:43 PM
#350
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Originally Posted by Big E 757
Agreed, they should all be required to stay at the Sonesta on VA Ave. with no transportation and forced to eat the limited menu at the hotel restaurant or walk to VA. ave to find food during their breaks. I’d love to see that.
That would be one hell of a dinner to watch at Spondivits
