Oops, No AIP yet
12-02-2022 | 03:12 AM
#141
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12-02-2022 | 03:16 AM
#142
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From: 75/76, C-5
Soooooo about the odds of an AIP…
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12-02-2022 | 03:39 AM
#144
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Actually…I think the silence is a good indicator that there’s still a chance
12-02-2022 | 03:47 AM
#145
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From: Captain
The upcoming communications from the MEC will add to the story… but my guess and only a guess is based on the reports yesterday from the RDU flight. (If accurate)
The framework for a deal is there and at least from the company view, end game total value has been established.
Negotiators may also believe we are at the limit at least as far as getting help from the mediator.
Like any negotiation, you don’t get 100% of every ask. There is a segment of the MEC that absolutely will vote “no” to anything less than perfect, even though it might ratify by 80%. The middle of the road reps are the ones that might take convincing that 90% of what you wanted is better than 0%.
There still are pieces that can be moved around, but otherwise we might be at a point we get time to “think” about it if we are demanding a much greater total value.
Disclaimer. Pure speculation. I have no idea if there is deal, the value, if it is good, bad, ratifiable or if any of my guesses are accurate. If the MEC comm comes out neutral, I would say that we are close. If it comes out “defiant” then we are not that close or are willing to get parked assuming the mediator thinks the value is there.
And before I get slammed by you know who, I am just talking about what the scenario looks like, not what I want or anything of the sort.
The framework for a deal is there and at least from the company view, end game total value has been established.
Negotiators may also believe we are at the limit at least as far as getting help from the mediator.
Like any negotiation, you don’t get 100% of every ask. There is a segment of the MEC that absolutely will vote “no” to anything less than perfect, even though it might ratify by 80%. The middle of the road reps are the ones that might take convincing that 90% of what you wanted is better than 0%.
There still are pieces that can be moved around, but otherwise we might be at a point we get time to “think” about it if we are demanding a much greater total value.
Disclaimer. Pure speculation. I have no idea if there is deal, the value, if it is good, bad, ratifiable or if any of my guesses are accurate. If the MEC comm comes out neutral, I would say that we are close. If it comes out “defiant” then we are not that close or are willing to get parked assuming the mediator thinks the value is there.
And before I get slammed by you know who, I am just talking about what the scenario looks like, not what I want or anything of the sort.
12-02-2022 | 04:07 AM
#146
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The upcoming communications from the MEC will add to the story… but my guess and only a guess is based on the reports yesterday from the RDU flight. (If accurate)
The framework for a deal is there and at least from the company view, end game total value has been established.
Negotiators may also believe we are at the limit at least as far as getting help from the mediator.
Like any negotiation, you don’t get 100% of every ask. There is a segment of the MEC that absolutely will vote “no” to anything less than perfect, even though it might ratify by 80%. The middle of the road reps are the ones that might take convincing that 90% of what you wanted is better than 0%.
There still are pieces that can be moved around, but otherwise we might be at a point we get time to “think” about it if we are demanding a much greater total value.
Disclaimer. Pure speculation. I have no idea if there is deal, the value, if it is good, bad, ratifiable or if any of my guesses are accurate. If the MEC comm comes out neutral, I would say that we are close. If it comes out “defiant” then we are not that close or are willing to get parked assuming the mediator thinks the value is there.
And before I get slammed by you know who, I am just talking about what the scenario looks like, not what I want or anything of the sort.
The framework for a deal is there and at least from the company view, end game total value has been established.
Negotiators may also believe we are at the limit at least as far as getting help from the mediator.
Like any negotiation, you don’t get 100% of every ask. There is a segment of the MEC that absolutely will vote “no” to anything less than perfect, even though it might ratify by 80%. The middle of the road reps are the ones that might take convincing that 90% of what you wanted is better than 0%.
There still are pieces that can be moved around, but otherwise we might be at a point we get time to “think” about it if we are demanding a much greater total value.
Disclaimer. Pure speculation. I have no idea if there is deal, the value, if it is good, bad, ratifiable or if any of my guesses are accurate. If the MEC comm comes out neutral, I would say that we are close. If it comes out “defiant” then we are not that close or are willing to get parked assuming the mediator thinks the value is there.
And before I get slammed by you know who, I am just talking about what the scenario looks like, not what I want or anything of the sort.
Mongo
12-02-2022 | 04:09 AM
#147
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The upcoming communications from the MEC will add to the story… but my guess and only a guess is based on the reports yesterday from the RDU flight. (If accurate)
The framework for a deal is there and at least from the company view, end game total value has been established.
Negotiators may also believe we are at the limit at least as far as getting help from the mediator.
Like any negotiation, you don’t get 100% of every ask. There is a segment of the MEC that absolutely will vote “no” to anything less than perfect, even though it might ratify by 80%. The middle of the road reps are the ones that might take convincing that 90% of what you wanted is better than 0%.
There still are pieces that can be moved around, but otherwise we might be at a point we get time to “think” about it if we are demanding a much greater total value.
Disclaimer. Pure speculation. I have no idea if there is deal, the value, if it is good, bad, ratifiable or if any of my guesses are accurate. If the MEC comm comes out neutral, I would say that we are close. If it comes out “defiant” then we are not that close or are willing to get parked assuming the mediator thinks the value is there.
And before I get slammed by you know who, I am just talking about what the scenario looks like, not what I want or anything of the sort.
The framework for a deal is there and at least from the company view, end game total value has been established.
Negotiators may also believe we are at the limit at least as far as getting help from the mediator.
Like any negotiation, you don’t get 100% of every ask. There is a segment of the MEC that absolutely will vote “no” to anything less than perfect, even though it might ratify by 80%. The middle of the road reps are the ones that might take convincing that 90% of what you wanted is better than 0%.
There still are pieces that can be moved around, but otherwise we might be at a point we get time to “think” about it if we are demanding a much greater total value.
Disclaimer. Pure speculation. I have no idea if there is deal, the value, if it is good, bad, ratifiable or if any of my guesses are accurate. If the MEC comm comes out neutral, I would say that we are close. If it comes out “defiant” then we are not that close or are willing to get parked assuming the mediator thinks the value is there.
And before I get slammed by you know who, I am just talking about what the scenario looks like, not what I want or anything of the sort.
12-02-2022 | 04:11 AM
#148
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You could have just said “pie theory” and saved all those key strokes.
Managment— “here is the size of the pie, you can slice it up any way you choose”.
Given the fact that, among other eye watering pay increases across the industry, Delta owned Endeavor new hires received an 88% hourly rate increase and Air Wisconsin is paying a $150,000 bonus to new hire captains:
I would make the case that management can and will make the pie larger.
Managment— “here is the size of the pie, you can slice it up any way you choose”.
Given the fact that, among other eye watering pay increases across the industry, Delta owned Endeavor new hires received an 88% hourly rate increase and Air Wisconsin is paying a $150,000 bonus to new hire captains:
I would make the case that management can and will make the pie larger.
12-02-2022 | 04:37 AM
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From: Up front
You could have just said “pie theory” and saved all those key strokes.
Managment— “here is the size of the pie, you can slice it up any way you choose”.
Given the fact that, among other eye watering pay increases across the industry, Delta owned Endeavor new hires received an 88% hourly rate increase and Air Wisconsin is paying a $150,000 bonus to new hire captains:
I would make the case that management can and will make the pie larger.
Managment— “here is the size of the pie, you can slice it up any way you choose”.
Given the fact that, among other eye watering pay increases across the industry, Delta owned Endeavor new hires received an 88% hourly rate increase and Air Wisconsin is paying a $150,000 bonus to new hire captains:
I would make the case that management can and will make the pie larger.
12-02-2022 | 04:39 AM
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From: Captain
You could have just said “pie theory” and saved all those key strokes.
Managment— “here is the size of the pie, you can slice it up any way you choose”.
Given the fact that, among other eye watering pay increases across the industry, Delta owned Endeavor new hires received an 88% hourly rate increase and Air Wisconsin is paying a $150,000 bonus to new hire captains:
I would make the case that management can and will make the pie larger.
Managment— “here is the size of the pie, you can slice it up any way you choose”.
Given the fact that, among other eye watering pay increases across the industry, Delta owned Endeavor new hires received an 88% hourly rate increase and Air Wisconsin is paying a $150,000 bonus to new hire captains:
I would make the case that management can and will make the pie larger.
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