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Old 12-01-2022 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by nene
Amazing in this labor environment and this generation that they are even to find willing employees....
Some probably will just quit.

“I know some of the younger engineers voted for the agreement so they can receive their back pay because they plan to quit because they don’t have the seniority that I do,” he [senior engineer] said.

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Old 12-01-2022 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SawF16
FFS the party you support is the reason “the all powerful government “ didn’t give them paid sick leave. BTW- my pops & my brother are both railroad engineers. They get zero paid sick leave, but on top of that the freight rails threaten termination for “taking advantage” of unpaid sick. That is to say- if you use it at all. Not to mention being a line holder equivalent at a freight rail “holding a turn” still means you literally have zero guaranteed off days to plan around. 12 hours after you block in, they can call & you have to answer and you have to go.
How can you blame this on the R’s? The D’s are the ones that decided to they weren’t going to let them strike. Even the liberal media has been reporting on this in a non friendly light for the D’s. The GOP might not be blameless here but pinning this on the R’s seems misguided. Listen to Saagar and Krystal on this, good reporting. She is a hardcore liberal but doesn’t play games. The D’s are terrible when it comes to organized labor issues. They did great reporting on Starbucks too, there was no help from any D’s short of Bernie.
Old 12-01-2022 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
How can you blame this on the R’s? The D’s are the ones that decided to they weren’t going to let them strike. Even the liberal media has been reporting on this in a non friendly light for the D’s. The GOP might not be blameless here but pinning this on the R’s seems misguided. Listen to Saagar and Krystal on this, good reporting. She is a hardcore liberal but doesn’t play games. The D’s are terrible when it comes to organized labor issues. They did great reporting on Starbucks too, there was no help from any D’s short of Bernie.
My post was not about the separate imposition of contract- it was about the separate bill to amend it to include sick leave. There is one party alone that blocked that change. That was my only point, after JB wondered aloud why the all powerful.gov dons r make it happen.
Old 12-01-2022 | 07:16 PM
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I’m also a hard no unless we bring back flight engineers
Old 12-01-2022 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
How can you blame this on the R’s? The D’s are the ones that decided to they weren’t going to let them strike. Even the liberal media has been reporting on this in a non friendly light for the D’s. The GOP might not be blameless here but pinning this on the R’s seems misguided. Listen to Saagar and Krystal on this, good reporting. She is a hardcore liberal but doesn’t play games. The D’s are terrible when it comes to organized labor issues. They did great reporting on Starbucks too, there was no help from any D’s short of Bernie.
Also, apparently super hardcore JB got triggered by something in my first response and tattled. Nice work. You’ve gone from telling off Spackler to being just like him only stupider and more afraid of the rest of the world disagreeing with you. I always thought he was looney but at least he wasn’t as transparently self interested as TSquare/JamesBond has become.
Old 12-01-2022 | 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by nene
If they give PSC to pilots at all, it's because they intend to give it to FA's. If they offered it up and said you can have 1% more in exchange, I'd take the 1% and I'm a commuter!
Im a commuter too, and I agree completely. I have no problem booking and riding in jumpseats to get to and from work. It’s one of those things that’s nice, but doesn’t help everyone, so I’m agnostic about it.
Old 12-01-2022 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
I'm literally not justifying it at all. I don't think they should have and am not happy they did. You know as I said above.. But they have every right to under the RLA.
The RLA is obviously unconstitutional. If corporations can do bribery via lobbying and campaign contributions and ad runs under the guise of free speech, citizens should be allowed to assemble and strike as a matter of free speech. When you can point to all the ways society collapses if someone stops working that is called leverage. How many days could the entire American c suite drown itself in a literal island of bussy before anyone noticed? Yet how long could the entire population of workers they profit from in any given industry simply stay home before mayhem ensued? I used to wonder what was wrong with France with how much...excitable activity I would see them collectively engaged in every few years. I now realize it's American docility that has something wrong with it. Hyper agressive to foreigners and other countries but willing to just get bent over for decades without a single word.

I brought up the bs of the regional pay model and people talked to me like I was an idiot not understanding fee for departure. Now it's revealed to be completely true, the money was there all along even if the fee is increased, and the lower level transformation will prove to be a REQUIREMENT for improvements at the major level.

We are like 5 generations away from an all uber driver and cam girl/boy economy. Corporate America will turn this into Nigeria or some tax haven with a inclusive resorts and they will do it "legally" because people are too busy being a rugged individual and stepping over others to work collectively to actually change laws and get paid. I'm not even slightly joking. The correct move is to start formally coordinating with rail way and other transport workers to either remove the RLA or make it benefit workers as opposed to openly hostile to labor.

There is no one you can vote for to make this viable. It is not a voting issue, but it is political.
Old 12-01-2022 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by The Localizer
I’m also a hard no unless we bring back flight engineers
Ahh, the crew compliment question arises once more!
Old 12-02-2022 | 01:25 AM
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Do non commuters realize that they’re also able to use PSC?

Didn’t think so
Old 12-02-2022 | 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted by igotgummed
Do non commuters realize that they’re also able to use PSC?

Didn’t think so
They most definitely did. There were pilots positive space commuting to Europe and back between trips under the guise that they were heading home to Europe and back the day before their trip started.
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