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Old 02-01-2023 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Lean-overs are far more safe than transcon red-eyes and 90% of international flying
That doesn’t contradict what I said
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Old 02-01-2023 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
That doesn’t contradict what I said
The black and white approach to fatigue and safety is a worthless exercise. If we wanted safety at all costs with regards to fatigue, we would only fly 8a to 6p with mandatory nap time at 2. That just isn't how the world works. If we operated the airline with zero risk, airplanes would never take off.
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Old 02-01-2023 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
The black and white approach to fatigue and safety is a worthless exercise. If we wanted safety at all costs with regards to fatigue, we would only fly 8a to 6p with mandatory nap time at 2. That just isn't how the world works. If we operated the airline with zero risk, airplanes would never take off.
and yet, we endlessly complain about inconvenient fatigue and clamor for convenient fatigue. Which makes the justifications hollow
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Old 02-01-2023 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
They've been allowed for years. The company doesn't want to build them because they pay 10:30 for 2-3 hours of block
Not my problem if the company doesn't want to build them. I don't want to fly them.
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Old 02-01-2023 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
Leanovers are unsafe by any sleep science approach. But pilots don’t actually want safety at all costs, and are willing to sacrifice safety for their income and convenience in the same way the company sacrifices safety for profit.
this exactly, 100%
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Old 02-01-2023 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Tanker1497
Happened today in ATL, 320A. I was at home drinking coffee and never got the call for ATL 0280/28jan. G #2 goes out to a Junior A, I’ve had one GS. Called skeds, 23.M.7 strikes again. Emailed my reps, we need to start calling out these co workers publicly.
7. A Crew Scheduler may deviate from the sequences under Section 23 N. or O. when, in
14 his judgment, it is necessary to do so in order to maintain schedule integrity. In such
15 event, the pilot who would otherwise have been awarded/assigned the rotation will
16 receive pay and credit (or if applicable, single pay, no credit) for the scheduled value of
17 the rotation.

So if you were in line to get it, congrats. You’ll be paid for it without flying it. Win.
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Old 02-01-2023 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Tailhookah
7. A Crew Scheduler may deviate from the sequences under Section 23 N. or O. when, in
14 his judgment, it is necessary to do so in order to maintain schedule integrity. In such
15 event, the pilot who would otherwise have been awarded/assigned the rotation will
16 receive pay and credit (or if applicable, single pay, no credit) for the scheduled value of
17 the rotation.

So if you were in line to get it, congrats. You’ll be paid for it without flying it. Win.
Yeah but the problem is you have to be schedule hawking and know it happens and the submit an ACE report. Company doesn’t automatically pay the pilot who should have gotten.
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Old 02-01-2023 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Tailhookah
7. A Crew Scheduler may deviate from the sequences under Section 23 N. or O. when, in
14 his judgment, it is necessary to do so in order to maintain schedule integrity. In such
15 event, the pilot who would otherwise have been awarded/assigned the rotation will
16 receive pay and credit (or if applicable, single pay, no credit) for the scheduled value of
17 the rotation.

So if you were in line to get it, congrats. You’ll be paid for it without flying it. Win.
someone will get paid because I filed an ace report. That’s not my point, it’s the guy whose name I know called scheduling, looking for a trip that belonged to someone else at double pay. The fact that you don’t see that it is a problem is my problem. It may have been you for all I know, but that’s the problem, not 23M7. Lose
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Old 02-01-2023 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Tanker1497
someone will get paid because I filed an ace report. That’s not my point, it’s the guy whose name I know called scheduling, looking for a trip that belonged to someone else at double pay. The fact that you don’t see that it is a problem is my problem. It may have been you for all I know, but that’s the problem, not 23M7. Lose
yeah it’s the middle seniority guy that gets screwed who actually wanted to fly the GS.
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Old 02-01-2023 | 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Extenda
yeah it’s the middle seniority guy that gets screwed who actually wanted to fly the GS.
Spot on. I ended up flying a 2 day WS to finish the month. Not sure if I would’ve got that green slip or not, but I didn’t call skeds to “borrow” money from my fellow coworkers.
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