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Old 12-15-2022 | 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74
So 15,000 of us could do the same thing?

I’ve asked to have DOBs removed from public access (see Curly’s website) and never even gotten a response from the company. Maybe I just need to go through this channel.
Exactly. What’s the limiting principle here? Can anyone who asks get their info blocked? A world in which we can’t verify people’s schedules is a world which requires a very high degree of trust in crew scheduling. My trust in them is as close to absolute zero as allowed by the laws of physics.

If the company can’t block said pilot’s contact info only and leave the schedule available for verification purposes, that sounds like a “you” problem. Either spend the money to write new DOS code and allow it or have said pilot file a lawsuit and win bigly. Their problem not ours, keep your deals, etc etc.
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Old 12-16-2022 | 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Pipehitter
I can’t comment on that really. I just know the issue was FCR’d, taken to pro standards, sent to CPO and elevated to HR all of whom agreed the case to block her info was warranted and in the process of doing this, it would end up blocking her schedule as well.

So, I agree it does sound like this is not in the spirit of said grievance, but I also haven’t read said grievance. It sounds legit though.

With that being said, this wasn’t some ploy for her to become friends with CS and circumvent the PWA and coverage ladder. I think that was my main point in interjecting. The guy calling CS for GS2 like the OP talked about is a totally different planet from what this other person is doing.
Was there any ramifications for the harasser? People like that need to made an example of to deter similar behavior. Seems like that type of behavior warrants a long suspension and maybe even termination. There should be Zero tolerance for harassment at Delta
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Old 12-16-2022 | 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 20Fathoms
Exactly. What’s the limiting principle here? Can anyone who asks get their info blocked? A world in which we can’t verify people’s schedules is a world which requires a very high degree of trust in crew scheduling. My trust in them is as close to absolute zero as allowed by the laws of physics.

If the company can’t block said pilot’s contact info only and leave the schedule available for verification purposes, that sounds like a “you” problem. Either spend the money to write new DOS code and allow it or have said pilot file a lawsuit and win bigly. Their problem not ours, keep your deals, etc etc.
This 100%. Go to the retirement home and un-retire the programmers that wrote the code and have them update it. The fact that that excuse flew in a grievance process is kind of surprising. It's not like they are asking to completely rewrite iOS or something.
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Old 12-16-2022 | 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Was there any ramifications for the harasser? People like that need to made an example of to deter similar behavior. Seems like that type of behavior warrants a long suspension and maybe even termination. There should be Zero tolerance for harassment at Delta
Supposedly there’s zero tolerance. Isn’t that what they say in CQC at least once a year?
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Old 12-16-2022 | 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by HercTank
Learned a dirty side of our fellow pilot group today and wondering what can be done about it.

Short notice Green Slip pops up in MiCrew and I’m watching it and can barely make report as a short distance commuter but could still make it. Then it goes away and I check Daily Trip Coverage and although I was legal for it and hadn’t had Green Slip #1 yet, this guy gets awarded the trip as GS#2. So I start digging.

I call crew scheduling and they don’t tell me why he got it, just that he did. Then I get in touch with someone from DALPA scheduling and they are able to get the phone tapes and confirm this guy called CS and said since he lives 15 minutes from JFK he can do it. He called CS and cut the rest of us off at the knees!!

Now I may not have gotten it anyway as someone senior to me may have accepted it but this is bull crap!

I then call Pro Standards and although he agreed this is horse**** practice by our fellow pilots it’s not at their level and best advice is I call him and call him out. What good is that going to do?

Can we compile a list of these people that do that just as you would a scab during a strike? One way or another I want this scab to know we are all watching him.

Best part, it was an empty charter ferry for a trip tomorrow so no passengers were left waiting at an airport or inconvenienced.
You don't know the meaning of the word which you use inappropriately. I suggest you educate yourself and stop minimizing it's significance.

The one thing you are right about in the above rant is that someone should be paid for this trip.
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Old 12-16-2022 | 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Was there any ramifications for the harasser? People like that need to made an example of to deter similar behavior. Seems like that type of behavior warrants a long suspension and maybe even termination. There should be Zero tolerance for harassment at Delta
I thought there was... but since said harasser still has a job I guess all that stuff we see in QCQ is so much BS.
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Old 12-16-2022 | 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Was there any ramifications for the harasser? People like that need to made an example of to deter similar behavior. Seems like that type of behavior warrants a long suspension and maybe even termination. There should be Zero tolerance for harassment at Delta
No specifics given to her other than it was “addressed” with the individual doing the harassing.
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Old 12-16-2022 | 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 20Fathoms
Exactly. What’s the limiting principle here? Can anyone who asks get their info blocked? A world in which we can’t verify people’s schedules is a world which requires a very high degree of trust in crew scheduling. My trust in them is as close to absolute zero as allowed by the laws of physics.

If the company can’t block said pilot’s contact info only and leave the schedule available for verification purposes, that sounds like a “you” problem. Either spend the money to write new DOS code and allow it or have said pilot file a lawsuit and win bigly. Their problem not ours, keep your deals, etc etc.
Having never been contacted and harassed by a co-worker, or anyone for that matter, I can’t really speak to this, but requesting my info not be shared going forward seemed like a reasonable request.

If verifying her schedule (or anyone who has a blocked schedule) is PWA compliant is something you think is necessary, it might be worth sending an ACE inquiry to the scheduling committee. I wonder if they’d do this? It’s worth asking.

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Old 12-16-2022 | 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
You don't know the meaning of the word which you use inappropriately. I suggest you educate yourself and stop minimizing it's significance.

The one thing you are right about in the above rant is that someone should be paid for this trip.
Thanks to your most professional educational abilities consider me “educated”. I see that it was used inappropriately. My apologies to you and everyone else I offended. Haven’t worked in the civilian world in 30 years, have only heard the stories from squadron mates that have. Thanks for the second warning in the same thread on the same point.
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Old 12-16-2022 | 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by HercTank
Thanks to your most professional educational abilities consider me “educated”. I see that it was used inappropriately. My apologies to you and everyone else I offended. Haven’t worked in the civilian world in 30 years, have only heard the stories from squadron mates that have. Thanks for the second warning in the same thread on the same point.
IMHO, the company and scheduling share just as much blame here as the pilot who called and requested the trip. The scheduler’s correct response to the pilot should have been “Sorry, I have to follow the PWA coverage ladder. ARCOS will contact you when it’s your turn.”

Instead, the past year has created a culture at scheduling where the PWA can be disregarded as long as the company buys its way out. This is particularly dangerous at a time when so many new schedulers are just starting out. They’re learning that disregarding the coverage ladder and invoking 23.M.7 is acceptable as a routine practice.

The PWA needs to be strengthened to increase the financial penalties for invoking 23.M.7 as well.
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