Schedule Poachers!!
12-16-2022 | 08:17 AM
#71
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From: Enoch Powell Enthusiast
All of this is very likely extreme outlier behavior. Tempest in a teapot.
Would be interesting to see a statistical breakdown of hours flown vs. credit hours billed per year. Preferably on a base/equipment/position/seniority breakdown.
I suspect most of the lowest paid flying (no premium/payback) and highest block hours are either unsophisticated PBS users or are just happy going to work and making more in salary than 95% of the US, if not the world. It’s a job, not a piggy bank. Delta is not Santa.
The backbone of the airline, as it were. Somebody has to actually show up and, you know, “work”. (Still the easiest, highest paid job I’ve ever had, by far)
To each their own. Contract snipers are definitely contractually compliant, so more power to them, I guess.
Would be interesting to see a statistical breakdown of hours flown vs. credit hours billed per year. Preferably on a base/equipment/position/seniority breakdown.
I suspect most of the lowest paid flying (no premium/payback) and highest block hours are either unsophisticated PBS users or are just happy going to work and making more in salary than 95% of the US, if not the world. It’s a job, not a piggy bank. Delta is not Santa.
The backbone of the airline, as it were. Somebody has to actually show up and, you know, “work”. (Still the easiest, highest paid job I’ve ever had, by far)
To each their own. Contract snipers are definitely contractually compliant, so more power to them, I guess.
12-16-2022 | 09:27 AM
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Wow. 23.M.7 is a green light to snipe all the greenslip trips you want!
Why wait around for ARCOS? What’s the point of the rest of section 23.M.1-6? #7 is your joker card to play!
See a trip. Call CS. Remind them 23.M.7 allows them to give you the trip directly. Screw your fellow pilots. Profit.
This is contractually legal!
Why wait around for ARCOS? What’s the point of the rest of section 23.M.1-6? #7 is your joker card to play!
See a trip. Call CS. Remind them 23.M.7 allows them to give you the trip directly. Screw your fellow pilots. Profit.
This is contractually legal!
12-16-2022 | 09:55 AM
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Wow. 23.M.7 is a green light to snipe all the greenslip trips you want!
Why wait around for ARCOS? What’s the point of the rest of section 23.M.1-6? #7 is your joker card to play!
See a trip. Call CS. Remind them 23.M.7 allows them to give you the trip directly. Screw your fellow pilots. Profit.
This is contractually legal!
Why wait around for ARCOS? What’s the point of the rest of section 23.M.1-6? #7 is your joker card to play!
See a trip. Call CS. Remind them 23.M.7 allows them to give you the trip directly. Screw your fellow pilots. Profit.
This is contractually legal!
12-16-2022 | 10:05 AM
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Wow. 23.M.7 is a green light to snipe all the greenslip trips you want!
Why wait around for ARCOS? What’s the point of the rest of section 23.M.1-6? #7 is your joker card to play!
See a trip. Call CS. Remind them 23.M.7 allows them to give you the trip directly. Screw your fellow pilots. Profit.
This is contractually legal!
Why wait around for ARCOS? What’s the point of the rest of section 23.M.1-6? #7 is your joker card to play!
See a trip. Call CS. Remind them 23.M.7 allows them to give you the trip directly. Screw your fellow pilots. Profit.
This is contractually legal!
Maybe our next TA will include not just pay protection, but Payback Day protection, too.
A5S
12-16-2022 | 10:05 AM
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Its legal but the reality is it doesn’t happen much. The trip needs to show up under 3 hours and the scheduler would need to not have pulled coverage at that point. In addition the sniper would need to have logged in and checked open time at the same time. You then have to get through to a scheduler. That alone is probably the deal killer. They also as mentioned need to pay protect the pilot who should have been awarded the trip. That’s a significant penalty for the company.
12-16-2022 | 10:22 AM
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Learned a dirty side of our fellow pilot group today and wondering what can be done about it.
Short notice Green Slip pops up in MiCrew and I’m watching it and can barely make report as a short distance commuter but could still make it. Then it goes away and I check Daily Trip Coverage and although I was legal for it and hadn’t had Green Slip #1 yet, this guy gets awarded the trip as GS#2. So I start digging.
I call crew scheduling and they don’t tell me why he got it, just that he did. Then I get in touch with someone from DALPA scheduling and they are able to get the phone tapes and confirm this guy called CS and said since he lives 15 minutes from JFK he can do it. He called CS and cut the rest of us off at the knees!!
Now I may not have gotten it anyway as someone senior to me may have accepted it but this is bull crap!
I then call Pro Standards and although he agreed this is horse**** practice by our fellow pilots it’s not at their level and best advice is I call him and call him out. What good is that going to do?
Can we compile a list of these people that do that just as you would a scab during a strike? One way or another I want this scab to know we are all watching him.
Best part, it was an empty charter ferry for a trip tomorrow so no passengers were left waiting at an airport or inconvenienced.
Short notice Green Slip pops up in MiCrew and I’m watching it and can barely make report as a short distance commuter but could still make it. Then it goes away and I check Daily Trip Coverage and although I was legal for it and hadn’t had Green Slip #1 yet, this guy gets awarded the trip as GS#2. So I start digging.
I call crew scheduling and they don’t tell me why he got it, just that he did. Then I get in touch with someone from DALPA scheduling and they are able to get the phone tapes and confirm this guy called CS and said since he lives 15 minutes from JFK he can do it. He called CS and cut the rest of us off at the knees!!
Now I may not have gotten it anyway as someone senior to me may have accepted it but this is bull crap!
I then call Pro Standards and although he agreed this is horse**** practice by our fellow pilots it’s not at their level and best advice is I call him and call him out. What good is that going to do?
Can we compile a list of these people that do that just as you would a scab during a strike? One way or another I want this scab to know we are all watching him.
Best part, it was an empty charter ferry for a trip tomorrow so no passengers were left waiting at an airport or inconvenienced.
LCA and two FO's on WB 3 day trip post PCS
Week out from trip and Cappy IOE gets added to the trip, by some miraculous occurrence, I'm the senior FO
48hrs out, I check ICREW and prepare for a free 3 days off which should include two rounds of golf.
24hrs out, I check schedule again and, boom, I"m now waaaaay junior to new "other" FO
I see on trip coverage that this is result of very recent PS
I msg other FO and asked what gives, he says out of the blue, senior FO contacts him and offers him an FCO turn as a swap, so he said "sure".
When I get to brief (after canceling my tee times) I ask the LCA about this and he says, yep, know the FO by name and it "actually happens that way quite a bit"
There's nothing "illegal" or "uncontractural" about this practice, but pilot wh#$@es are gonna be wh$^#es.
12-17-2022 | 08:35 AM
#77
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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
I had this same thing happen a couple times 25 years ago when I was a mid seniority MD11 FO. This one particular semi senior FO would always call the junior FO and come up with some hardship story begging for a swap….so he’d be the senior FO with a LCA going ATL-Europe. He stays home, you go to work.
After he pulled this stunt on me, twice, I “fixed it” by calling the number 1 FO and swapping my FRA trip with him, so the D-bag semi senior FO was now the junior FO and had to go on the IOE for someone else, while I got to fly the most senior trip in the base (3 day NRT worth 27) and the number 1 FO stayed home and picked up a GS to NRT the next day!
So….if you see this kind of crap on a regular basis, call the most senior FO and swap with them, make that other turd go to work!
After he pulled this stunt on me, twice, I “fixed it” by calling the number 1 FO and swapping my FRA trip with him, so the D-bag semi senior FO was now the junior FO and had to go on the IOE for someone else, while I got to fly the most senior trip in the base (3 day NRT worth 27) and the number 1 FO stayed home and picked up a GS to NRT the next day!
So….if you see this kind of crap on a regular basis, call the most senior FO and swap with them, make that other turd go to work!
12-17-2022 | 08:55 AM
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I had this same thing happen a couple times 25 years ago when I was a mid seniority MD11 FO. This one particular semi senior FO would always call the junior FO and come up with some hardship story begging for a swap….so he’d be the senior FO with a LCA going ATL-Europe. He stays home, you go to work.
After he pulled this stunt on me, twice, I “fixed it” by calling the number 1 FO and swapping my FRA trip with him, so the D-bag semi senior FO was now the junior FO and had to go on the IOE for someone else, while I got to fly the most senior trip in the base (3 day NRT worth 27) and the number 1 FO stayed home and picked up a GS to NRT the next day!
So….if you see this kind of crap on a regular basis, call the most senior FO and swap with them, make that other turd go to work!
After he pulled this stunt on me, twice, I “fixed it” by calling the number 1 FO and swapping my FRA trip with him, so the D-bag semi senior FO was now the junior FO and had to go on the IOE for someone else, while I got to fly the most senior trip in the base (3 day NRT worth 27) and the number 1 FO stayed home and picked up a GS to NRT the next day!
So….if you see this kind of crap on a regular basis, call the most senior FO and swap with them, make that other turd go to work!
Yeah as it turned out on the 767-400 that was the one and only time in 6yrs that I was scheduled as the senior FO with a LCA with IOE and someone was to be released.
12-17-2022 | 09:05 AM
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From: WB Cpt
All of this is very likely extreme outlier behavior. Tempest in a teapot.
Would be interesting to see a statistical breakdown of hours flown vs. credit hours billed per year. Preferably on a base/equipment/position/seniority breakdown.
I suspect most of the lowest paid flying (no premium/payback) and highest block hours are either unsophisticated PBS users or are just happy going to work and making more in salary than 95% of the US, if not the world. It’s a job, not a piggy bank. Delta is not Santa.
The backbone of the airline, as it were. Somebody has to actually show up and, you know, “work”. (Still the easiest, highest paid job I’ve ever had, by far)
To each their own. Contract snipers are definitely contractually compliant, so more power to them, I guess.
Would be interesting to see a statistical breakdown of hours flown vs. credit hours billed per year. Preferably on a base/equipment/position/seniority breakdown.
I suspect most of the lowest paid flying (no premium/payback) and highest block hours are either unsophisticated PBS users or are just happy going to work and making more in salary than 95% of the US, if not the world. It’s a job, not a piggy bank. Delta is not Santa.
The backbone of the airline, as it were. Somebody has to actually show up and, you know, “work”. (Still the easiest, highest paid job I’ve ever had, by far)
To each their own. Contract snipers are definitely contractually compliant, so more power to them, I guess.
I enjoy cross referencing My PAS on the Flight Ops home page against Block Hours Flown in iCrew. I’ve never “snipped” but I’ve always had an eye on credit-heavy/block hour low flying. Call me a slacker, or maybe it’s just human nature…. I think we all like more for less when available. Delta has paid me for nearly 23,000 hours, while I have blocked just over 11,000. More or less a 2:1 ratio - in the proper direction.
The way I know how to do it is just an individual exercise, but perhaps it’s scalable with some IT magic.
If you were thinking a group-wide posting of similar data would amount to “shaming,” I disagree. To me it’s a badge of honor! Am I wrong? Again, I don’t believe I have ever purposefully taken bread off anybody else’s table, but I have always been spring-loaded to extract maximum compensation for minimum work. Probably a good mindset to possess during these times of seeking a new contract.
12-17-2022 | 09:32 AM
#80
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I enjoy cross referencing My PAS on the Flight Ops home page against Block Hours Flown in iCrew. I’ve never “snipped” but I’ve always had an eye on credit-heavy/block hour low flying. Call me a slacker, or maybe it’s just human nature…. I think we all like more for less when available. Delta has paid me for nearly 23,000 hours, while I have blocked just over 11,000. More or less a 2:1 ratio - in the proper direction.
The way I know how to do it is just an individual exercise, but perhaps it’s scalable with some IT magic.
If you were thinking a group-wide posting of similar data would amount to “shaming,” I disagree. To me it’s a badge of honor! Am I wrong? Again, I don’t believe I have ever purposefully taken bread off anybody else’s table, but I have always been spring-loaded to extract maximum compensation for minimum work. Probably a good mindset to possess during these times of seeking a new contract.
The way I know how to do it is just an individual exercise, but perhaps it’s scalable with some IT magic.
If you were thinking a group-wide posting of similar data would amount to “shaming,” I disagree. To me it’s a badge of honor! Am I wrong? Again, I don’t believe I have ever purposefully taken bread off anybody else’s table, but I have always been spring-loaded to extract maximum compensation for minimum work. Probably a good mindset to possess during these times of seeking a new contract.
