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NH Noord is a 15 min walk to the free ferry over to downtown. Also a nice little area of shops and restaurants with nice park near the hotel. I never understood the problem with it?
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Originally Posted by First Break
(Post 3600620)
The fact that you have been fed numerous numbers at various times invalidates any credibility of those numbers.
16/8/8 is also nonsense, also verified by people who know. What say you about the rest of the gains that were achieved? It’s quite an extensive list of items that you conveniently choose to ignore. |
Originally Posted by overqualified52
(Post 3600638)
We just piggyback off whatever you all get .
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Originally Posted by Mooner
(Post 3600557)
This thread has achieved its life expectancy.
Takeaway: TA passed by effectively 100% consensus. 25% are incapable of voting yes and joining the consensus. This has nothing to do with merit or lack thereof of any potential agreement. It’s a personality issue. It applies across the board throughout society whenever a large group is polled or casts a vote. |
Originally Posted by OOfff
(Post 3600651)
since you’re plugged in with people “in the know,” what was the ask?
I’m told by a very reliable source that ALPAs pay opener back in 2019 was closer to 12/5/5. That’s quite a bit different than the narrative Sailing is trying to paint about 20/8/8 or whatever nonsense his flight ops buds want to use to justify their foot dragging in 2019. I’m still waiting to hear if he believes the comprehensive gains in every section were worth doing, or if they also should have been scrapped in the name of expediency and TVM. |
Originally Posted by Bainite
(Post 3600649)
NH Noord is a 15 min walk to the free ferry over to downtown. Also a nice little area of shops and restaurants with nice park near the hotel. I never understood the problem with it?
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Originally Posted by dk104444
(Post 3599894)
We really dodged a bullet here. March 2020 is about to come back with a vengeance.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 3600569)
The highest number I ever heard was 20/8/8 but am now told it was 16/8/8. The total of over 3 billion was not non sense and dead on. Now that the contract is done ask your reps. You can also simply look at the parts of the opener that were published and reach a logical conclusion. What happened to that 25% DC/MCBP and 260 hours of vacation with a equal distribution of weeks? From a 3 billion plus opener in year one to 150 million one time payment! We got them!
As always, your numbers are significantly off. I'm not sure why you feel the need to come on here and blast away with incorrect data, but I highly suspect a narcissistic obsession to try and "prove" you were right, or connected, or the self-annoited voice of reason. Very "airline piloty" of you. Out of all of this, 25% DC and 260 hours (also incorrect) is what you are down to? Oh sorry, there's the 3 billion plus and 150 million (also wrong) one time payment. Never mind a completely egoistic flight ops leadership (replaced midstream) who didn't realize that despite full retro in C2015, they weren't supposed to stall negotiations. Never mind the single most (real or manufactured) devastating economic event ever, never mind the absence of concessionary bargaining during said time, never mind the usual complete lack of any support within the industry for pattern bargaining, never mind the simultaneous parallel global scope agreement (shoutout to the former ATL Chairman for forcing the hand) which benefits the Company exactly "zero" but finally secures wide body job protections with teeth without having to go through a very biased RLA grievance process. Never mind the sheer number of items (many of which are undoing the concessions of the past) achieved in this contract, and never mind having to navigate all of this this with a social media obsessed MEC (and one MEC chairman) - some of whom were bound and determined to scorch earth in any way possible to ensure a complete failure of anything and everything. In the meantime, my thanks go out to the office staff, committee SMEs, NC and the eventual MEC Administration, who navigated all of this brilliantly and brought forth the single most lucrative airline contract ever - while the airline went through the gamut of historically profitable to historic losses to relatively profitable. It ain't perfect, and it ain't the opener (congrats sailingfun for your marvelous grasp of the obvious and inevitable) but it's really damn good. |
For those who have seen these types of special payouts; I'm assuming the payout will be separate from our normal paycheck? If so, do we expect to have an election tool for Fidelity similar to our profit sharing election tool? Answer might be in the sky hub today...but I'm on the road.
Thanks BC |
Originally Posted by BCan
(Post 3600689)
For those who have seen these types of special payouts; I'm assuming the payout will be separate from our normal paycheck? If so, do we expect to have an election tool for Fidelity similar to our profit sharing election tool? Answer might be in the sky hub today...but I'm on the road.
Thanks BC |
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