Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3599990)

That isn't a concession. And neither is "not getting 25% DC." And neither is "no min balance."

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3599996)

It isn't to you because you are still getting annual raises. To those of us at 12+ years it sure as hell is.

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And you are right.... going from 25% to zero is not a concession, it is an abandonment.

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3599996)

It isn't to you because you are still getting annual raises. To those of us at 12+ years it sure as hell is.

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And you are right.... going from 25% to zero is not a concession, it is an abandonment.

Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3599975)

I'll give you sunsetting of NFLY as a concession even though 90% of Delta pilots are opposed to anything covid related except free time off.

But name one other concession.

Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 (Post 3599970)

Congratulations Delta Air Lines!!!

In today's difficult environment and historic pilot shortage, you have managed to cost contain and defeat a pilot group that everyone looked up to. This amazing feat sets the trend for the rest of the airline management teams and will serve as a benchmark for continued success of FordHarrison.

Stay tuned for the increased executive compensation and stock awards. You will not be disappointed, and you certainly won't take any concessions.

To Delta Pilots, congratulations on your new, hard-fought contract that you were willing to strike for. Enjoy these fantastic, non-concessionary gains and thank you for everything you do.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3600003)

Retro pay!
filler

Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3600001)

But you got a raise. Granted it wasn't pensionable, but you're getting a 4% raise in 2020. 10% raise in 22. and a raise starting today with pensionable retro. If you're on one of the banded up fleets, you're getting a significant raise. That's certainly isn't "nothing." You can argue that it's not enough but not enough is not a concession.

And we didn't go from 25% to zero. That's a disingenuous argument. We went from 16% to 18% which, last time I checked, was an improvement not a concession. If we measured contracts based on what we opened with vs what we got, literally every single one would be 100% concessionary.

Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3600006)

Again. That's not a concession. Try again.

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3600009)

Those are not raises. They are bonuses. Today is a raise based on rates that haven't changed in 4 years. Like I said, I'll bet management would sign a 0,0,0,18% contract every four years in a heartbeat. But yeah, it isn't 'nothing'.

And it is not a disingenuous argument. We get ZERO improvement this year. In case you haven't noticed, many of those that got pummeled in bankruptcy are leaving THIS year. THEY get nothing. But you get yours, so all is good, right?