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Bleeders out in force today.

It's over, wipe away your tears with your not retro, retro money. If you are still around next contract cycle, I look forward to your arguments for another no vote.

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Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3600030)

I'll bet you my not retro check we aren't working under this unamended contract 10 years from now.

This contract sets a solid foundation. If we’re smart, we’ll follow sailing’s advice and get incremental gains that are on time.

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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 (Post 3600036)

I would absolutely love to do better.

But when a pilot group that’s supposed to be the industry leader gives away a huge chunk of what they’re owed in retro, and accepts rates that fail to capitalize on the current pilot market, you kinda showed your lack of self worth and in the process hamstrung everyone else.

Just for laughs, take the retro you gave away and multiply it across the pilot group. That number alone makes a fantastic pay day for the executives and FordHarrison.

But really, bless your heart and congratulations.

I'd love for you to do better as well. There are many moving parts in these negotiations. Pattern bargaining being a reality of recent history I'm quite glad that APA BOD and the UA pilot group turned down their deals (which were far below this ratified PWA) and that we produced this before they had their second round of proposals (which were also shown to be far below this contract). Where you view the bar really depends on which point in history you choose it to have been set, and fair enough if you think this deal fell short of your bar. All of that being said, it's in poor taste to come wagging your finger at another pilot group for setting a new industry standard below your liking when yours has failed time and time again to raise it at all. I'm rooting for SWAPA to come out with a deal so great that everyone at DALPA regrets not including you in our "me too" clause.

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Originally Posted by velosnow (Post 3600032)

Yep. Amazing how some of the top 5% of wage earners in America can feel so repressed.

https://media.makeameme.org/created/help-help-im.jpg

How about instead of chastising the income, you thank them for their tax payments?

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Originally Posted by D0zing4Dollars (Post 3600038)

You’re probably right. About every ten years, this industry sees a major Black Swan event and the company will furlough and come for concessions. Based on the mettle this MEC has shown, they would sign right up for pay cuts. I’m not sure what the Black Swan will look like, rest assured there’s one out there in the future. Good Luck.

Now you've moved the goal post on your own bad argument.

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Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3600061)

Now you've moved the goal post on your own bad argument.

it’s amazing how some people thinly veil their desire to see others experience pain.

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Originally Posted by ChazzMMichaels (Post 3600052)

This contract sets a solid foundation. If we’re smart, we’ll follow sailing’s advice and get incremental gains that are on time.

...without concessions.

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Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3600063)

...without concessions.

Absolutely

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Originally Posted by ChazzMMichaels (Post 3600052)

This contract sets a solid foundation. If we’re smart, we’ll follow sailing’s advice and get incremental gains that are on time.

With what leverage? DALPA just flushed it all down the toilet. Never since CY2000 did DALPA have so much leverage in a negotiation, and they flushed it, ALL of it. The company has zero incentives to agree to any incremental gains and DALPA has clearly demonstrated they don’t have “the stones” to fight.

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Originally Posted by myrkridia (Post 3600053)

Well said…thank you!