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Old 03-30-2023, 08:44 PM
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Lolz, getting butthurt about what delta does is also a form of virtue signaling and the extremists don’t even realize it.

To the point that one knucklehead even states he’d rather drink out of a cup that is proven to cause cancer. Talk about political blinders.

There is a middle ground
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Old 03-31-2023, 01:58 AM
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I think the fact that sustainable practices and environmentalism are considered liberal/woke/whatever says a lot more about modern conservativism than about sustainable practices and environmentalism.
Holy gaslighting, Batman. Not what I said. Are you deliberately missing the point?
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Old 03-31-2023, 06:09 AM
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Holy gaslighting, Batman. Not what I said. Are you deliberately missing the point?
no more than you’re deliberately searching for the ghosts of the woke liberal agenda
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Old 03-31-2023, 06:17 AM
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I really don't understand the argument here.

If the elderly conservative politics in your face always anti woke anti environment political crusader pilots want to drink hot coffee out of cancer cups, we should let them.
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Old 03-31-2023, 06:20 AM
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I think Fangs is spot on that this is clearly using a cost saving measure and twisting it as an environmental decision to push a narrative. That being said i think we're still getting lost in the political aspect of this. They are using a narrative to appeal to a group specifically. I don't care who this group is, as long as they're buying seats. I don't know the nuances of everything that brings people to fly on us as opposed to our competition, but if this is part of it I'll happily play along.
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Old 03-31-2023, 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Meme In Command View Post
I think Fangs is spot on that this is clearly using a cost saving measure and twisting it as an environmental decision to push a narrative. That being said i think we're still getting lost in the political aspect of this. They are using a narrative to appeal to a group specifically. I don't care who this group is, as long as they're buying seats. I don't know the nuances of everything that brings people to fly on us as opposed to our competition, but if this is part of it I'll happily play along.
that would make sense, if delta was making public statements about the cups in marketing. They aren’t.
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Old 03-31-2023, 06:51 AM
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Who cares if they are appealing to the environmentalist crowd? They have made the decision to remove foam cups for some reason. Let's say the sole reason to do it was to save money. The entire "we don't care about the environment" crowd doesn't care either way. They don't care if it's single use plastic or paper or Styrofoam. They don't care if it gives them cancer, whatever. BUT, there is a segment of the population that DOES care. They make their decisions on whether a corporation is doing things that are environmentally friendly. So, they can cut costs AND appeal to that consumer while not alienating the "we don't care" crowd. How is this a bad thing?
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Originally Posted by OOfff View Post
that would make sense, if delta was making public statements about the cups in marketing. They aren’t.
So you mean, one of the largest polluters is trying to convince their employees that they are being "good stewards of the environment". Some might see some hypocrisy, some might say, "Good on you, you're doing the best you can and everyone benefit while doing no harm".....say some might feel, "good on you, just make the change without breaking your arm patting yourself on the back". If it's good enough to stand on your bully pulpit to announce your greatness, it should be a marketing ploy......and....it just might yet ( if it weren't so measurably insignificant)

But then again that would be tantamount to advertising taking the olives off the garnish plate as a cost cutting measure. Some had an eye roll, some applauded.

The olives are prolly before most people's time
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Who cares if they are appealing to the environmentalist crowd? They have made the decision to remove foam cups for some reason. Let's say the sole reason to do it was to save money. The entire "we don't care about the environment" crowd doesn't care either way. They don't care if it's single use plastic or paper or Styrofoam. They don't care if it gives them cancer, whatever. BUT, there is a segment of the population that DOES care. They make their decisions on whether a corporation is doing things that are environmentally friendly. So, they can cut costs AND appeal to that consumer while not alienating the "we don't care" crowd. How is this a bad thing?
Personally, I think the vast majority make their purchase decision on cost and convenience. If this affects some people's buying habits positively it will likely affect other negatively. I'm not too convinced ESG scores will tip the meter in any direction.
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Personally, I think the vast majority make their purchase decision on cost and convenience. If this affects some people's buying habits positively it will likely affect other negatively. I'm not too convinced ESG scores will tip the meter in any direction.
How does it affect anyone's buying habits negatively? If we designed an organic biofuel alternative that primarily saved the company money but also had the secondary effect of being more environmentally friendly, are you saying people would NOT buy a Delta ticket because we weren't burning dinosaur bones?
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