cskafan123

Forgive my ignorance but can someone explain to me why you think a JB pilot would be leaving a bunch of $$$ on the table if he decides to stay. Their DC and pay rates aren't much lower than Delta's. Is it the profit sharing? What am I missing here? Tnx

Tropical

I admit I haven't looked at JB pay rates lately, but the ones in our new contract are pretty good, and we still have a me too if anyone tops us. 18% DC now, profit sharing, green slips up the wazoo, and upgrade opportunities in less than a year.

Oh, and no merger with Spirit and a resulting joint negotiation on the horizon.

usmc-sgt

On paper as a new hire- Delta wins in every single metric.

I wouldn’t commute for a single item on that sheet of paper however. Certainly the Boston base rumor would make me much more willing to give it a go since NY is such an easy commute (when it doesn’t completely fall apart.)

Driving into work is a metric for some you simply can’t put a monetary value on. If jetblue closes Boston, it’s because the airline is likely about to completely fold.

Tiltmafia1275

Sitting in very similar situation. Transitioning from Military and moving ~30 min south of PHL. Puts "commute" of drive at ~2:30 up to NYC for DAL. Currently have CJOs at both DAL and AAL, everything tells me to suck up the drive for DAL but can't shake the idea of driving past PHL for 30 years another hour and a half. Curious if anyone else has a similar situation or am I just offsides with a good problem to have.

Extenda

your shortcall commitment is 2 hours from the closest NYC airport which for you would be Newark. If you can sit short call at home I’d consider Delta. You’re not going to do the drive every day.

BUT getting hired now i’d probably go to AA for the shorter drive but mostly for the better seniority.

gloopy

The flying is more than there and has been for a while. The reason(s) why they haven't pulled the trigger yet is because marketing demands unlimited nimbleness to change planes on a whim on any given flight even among types of similar size. The margin required for unlimited flexibility makes it seem like there isn't enough flying. There is and there has been for a while.

JB needed a base there (2 fleets domestic, not sure about their 3rd fleet) long before they got as big as they are now. Were it not for Covid we would have a base there already for years.

The same justification is there now that was there then, but the existing training churn is too much to stir things up right now. NYC will never be "easier to staff" but by opening a BOS base, its logical to assume a good chunk of NYC pilot staffing would shift to there. That portion would be more stable. The now less big NYC would by default have fewer positions for its timeless churn.

You're right that some NYC pilots commute from BOS. Opening a BOS base would shift that flying to BOS meaning they wouldn't have to commute. It would further stabilize some churn by capturing more pilots who don't commute to NYC. Shrinking NYC is a net win for DL because that reduces total churn in the highest churn base in the system and shifts some of those positions to a place with lower churn. But anything they do right now temporarily adds churn and they don't want that.

Puddytatt

Have you even looked at our contract? 18% DC now? Me too if ANYONE tops us?!
Try 16% now, and me too if only United or AA top us.

Planetrain

Wilmington, West Chester, Christiana mall area: go to AA.
Willing to move to Doylestown, New Hope, Trenton: I’d shop UA/DL.

DWC CAP10 USAF

How many of those pilots were living in New England?

I know lots of B6 pilots that live in New England and are BOS based, driving to work, doing turns and home every night, etc…not a single one of them kept updating their apps at DL or UA after they got hired.

Lots of people prefer the increased QOL that driving to work provides, even if it means a little less cash in the wallet.

interceptorpilo

Delta’s new pay rates are not reflected on APC. Don’t know why. Add 22% to A320, A330 and 767-400. Add 18% to everything else. I think I got that right. Any way ends up a Delta 320 Capetian at 12 years makes $65 more per hour than at JB. Plus profit sharing.