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05-19-2023 | 02:34 PM
#101
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05-19-2023 | 03:45 PM
#102
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That may have been the case in the past, but the issue has garnered enough attention that nearly every IA is receiving scrutiny from ALPA now. Surprisingly, the company self-complies with the 23M7 pay requirement a good percentage of the time as well - before they are ever called on it.
A small number of these may still slip through the cracks, but the bottom line is the company is paying a lot more money using 23M7 than they would be if we gave them batch size concessions.
A small number of these may still slip through the cracks, but the bottom line is the company is paying a lot more money using 23M7 than they would be if we gave them batch size concessions.
05-19-2023 | 04:18 PM
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IA is a very very tiny portion of it..most of these end up going to reroute and it's very hard to catch. even if it was just IA, there's 36,000 ACE reports in 3 years, but you think the system is fine how it is? amazing. And the scheduling people I talk with on my ACE reports say the company rarely pays the 23m7 pilot without prodding.
I wouldn’t call the current system perfect at all. I’m simply saying that from a financial perspective, it’s a far greater problem for the company than it is for us. The company wants ALPA to fix it for free. I’m all for ALPA fixing it ONLY if we receive something that is closely proportional to the value of this to the company. PSC would be a good starting point.
05-19-2023 | 04:56 PM
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All reroutes should be examined by ALPA anyway. They are rarely paid correctly - even when the coverage ladder is not skipped. The scheduling committee is trying to get to that point. They already encourage every rerouted pilot to submit an ACE report.
I wouldn’t call the current system perfect at all. I’m simply saying that from a financial perspective, it’s a far greater problem for the company than it is for us. The company wants ALPA to fix it for free. I’m all for ALPA fixing it ONLY if we receive something that is closely proportional to the value of this to the company. PSC would be a good starting point.
I wouldn’t call the current system perfect at all. I’m simply saying that from a financial perspective, it’s a far greater problem for the company than it is for us. The company wants ALPA to fix it for free. I’m all for ALPA fixing it ONLY if we receive something that is closely proportional to the value of this to the company. PSC would be a good starting point.
05-19-2023 | 05:15 PM
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All reroutes should be examined by ALPA anyway. They are rarely paid correctly - even when the coverage ladder is not skipped. The scheduling committee is trying to get to that point. They already encourage every rerouted pilot to submit an ACE report.
I wouldn’t call the current system perfect at all. I’m simply saying that from a financial perspective, it’s a far greater problem for the company than it is for us. The company wants ALPA to fix it for free. I’m all for ALPA fixing it ONLY if we receive something that is closely proportional to the value of this to the company. PSC would be a good starting point.
I wouldn’t call the current system perfect at all. I’m simply saying that from a financial perspective, it’s a far greater problem for the company than it is for us. The company wants ALPA to fix it for free. I’m all for ALPA fixing it ONLY if we receive something that is closely proportional to the value of this to the company. PSC would be a good starting point.
05-19-2023 | 06:13 PM
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It was addressed and full implementation is 2 more years away. with real time ALPA access and reroute pay going away they will pay more for mishandling scheduling. They (management) know this and are trying to get easy relief early before it becomes an obvious cost increase, and more expensive to negotiate.
05-19-2023 | 07:13 PM
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It was addressed and full implementation is 2 more years away. with real time ALPA access and reroute pay going away they will pay more for mishandling scheduling. They (management) know this and are trying to get easy relief early before it becomes an obvious cost increase, and more expensive to negotiate.
05-19-2023 | 07:34 PM
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It was addressed and full implementation is 2 more years away. with real time ALPA access and reroute pay going away they will pay more for mishandling scheduling. They (management) know this and are trying to get easy relief early before it becomes an obvious cost increase, and more expensive to negotiate.
I recognize that many pilots believe they’ve been personally wronged by the company’s overuse of 23M7. I tend to agree with all of them. However, the company will encourage those pilots to direct their frustration to the MEC and demand immediate batch size relief. By framing it as a pilot problem, not a management problem, they can try to recruit pilots to assist their cause of obtaining cheap relief.
As frustrated as many pilots are, we need to recognize that the pilot group has the upper hand here. Any negotiations that take place should reflect that.
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