If every rerouted pilot submitted an ACE, they would be backed up 2 years out.

 

the problem is we are the ones that asked for and got these ridiculously low batch sizes in the first place. I dunno why ALPA had to cut back so much. There should have been some serious discussion and testing prior to cutting them back so much. Simple math would tell you that a batch of 1 and 5 will not work in massive categories

 

be careful what you wish for.

 

That’s the equivalent of the company coming to us for pay concessions for whatever reason, and us saying “I don’t know why ALPA asked for such high pay rates in the first place.”

Everything you’re describing is a failure of the company’s negotiating team, not ALPA’s. Their loss will eventually become our gain. This routinely happens on both sides and is why we have LOAs.

 

I attempt to read every union comm sent (MEC, committees, each LEC), company weekly and monthly updates and try to skim through these forums with frequency. Facebook and Skyhub maybe once before every trip at a quick ish glance. I've asked someone on the MEC Scheduling Committee this week whether they want us to ACE every reroute or not (as is often recommended here) and they said no, first contact company and then only ACE if you suspect pay is due or other violations occurred. While not the only or even leading factor, pilot behavior is contributing to the backlog of ACE reports we are currently experiencing. It's possible the ALPA person I talked to was wrong or I simply missed an official memo among the plethora of information out there, which is why I asked. How about it then? You have a source or are you just going to be smug?

 

23.M.7 has been abused so much -- especially last summer -- that amost by default I suspect another pilot is due pay on any reroute.

A5S

 

Not trying to be smug at all, just a little humor/sarcasm. But like many things funny, it’s based in truth.

I would take issue with the bolded thought. It’s the company’s behavior that is causing the backlog of ACE. The fact we EVER have to double check via ACE, much less most every time for a violation the company does absolutely nothing to identify on its own is tantamount to wage theft. How they continually fail to find owed hours the union finds by the tens of thousands is beyond egregious.

But no, it was an attempt at humor, not a shot at you.

 

Fair enough, I misread you. Look I'm fairly new here, doing my part to learn and raise my hand where I can. I totally agree with what you're saying, just relaying the info I got from a credible source. They weren't making excuses for the company, just saying that pilot behavior is a contributing factor in all this mess. I get the idea of "err on the side of ACEing" but I was told not to report every reroute for the sake of it.

 

sorry, but I have to disagree. As I said, there was obviously no testing or major discussion of how batch sizes so low would affect us as pilots. OK, so one person who probably wasn't going to fly the trip anyway gets paid and I'm supposed to be happy about that? We get rerouted way more frequently because someone with a blanket slip in doesn't like hearing their phone ring. Great deal for us that would actually fly a GS.

 

Ditto. Nor does it line up with the last 2 green slips I was called for that were filled via IA being run simultaneously.

I asked both schedulers both times if the proper pilot was pay protected and both times I was told “it wasn’t submitted” and me calling was the only reason it eventually was.