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05-12-2023 | 04:25 PM
#51
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It screws junior pilots that would have been able to do the GS for the same reasons you describe (college tuition, etc) but now can’t make the last flight to commute in because they haven’t been awarded it yet because ARCOS is calling every senior pilot, three at a time (if initiated after 2300 or only one pilot at a time if more than 8 hours out) every 15 minutes permitting them the full acceptance window before moving on.
05-12-2023 | 04:50 PM
#52
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It screws junior pilots that would have been able to do the GS for the same reasons you describe (college tuition, etc) but now can’t make the last flight to commute in because they haven’t been awarded it yet because ARCOS is calling every senior pilot, three at a time (if initiated after 2300 or only one pilot at a time if more than 8 hours out) every 15 minutes permitting them the full acceptance window before moving on.
I guess to interceptor that makes me an idiot. To each their own.
And my sarcasm was specifically for the people hoping to get a batch size violation, and stating that’s the only reason they put it in. I don’t fault them, and you are right, it is legal. I’m just not going to. But like I said, to each their own.
05-12-2023 | 04:57 PM
#54
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CS eventually gives up on the GS list and I get nothing because they called you and waited 15 minutes for you to never respond. I could have received 10:30 for a one day trip you’d never accept but now I get nothing, every single time. Maybe you’ll get 5:15 pay for being skipped, maybe not. But I’ll either not get the call at all or after it’s too late to make it. I’d prefer you not play that game or at least not feign ignorance you’re actually affecting junior pilots that would actually fly that lame GS you never would accept. I know you’re being a devils advocate but enough people to make this a problem think and do this, but this isn’t a victimless game.
05-12-2023 | 05:07 PM
#55
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CS eventually gives up on the GS list and I get nothing because they called you and waited 15 minutes for you to never respond. I could have received 10:30 for a one day trip you’d never accept but now I get nothing, every single time. Maybe you’ll get 5:15 pay for being skipped, maybe not. But I’ll either not get the call at all or after it’s too late to make it. I’d prefer you not play that game or at least not feign ignorance you’re actually affecting junior pilots that would actually fly that lame GS you never would accept. I know you’re being a devils advocate but enough people to make this a problem think and do this, but this isn’t a victimless game.
05-12-2023 | 05:17 PM
#56
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First, a question: if a senior pilot got skipped for a GS because CS bypassed the coverage ladder and went to IA on a Monday, would the same pilot again get paid if the same thing happened on Tuesday or would that go to the next senior pilot (maybe the assumption is yesterdays pilot should be flying on Tuesday). What if the same thing happened several times on Tuesday?
05-12-2023 | 05:19 PM
#57
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I especially love how they have trips open all day long and yet don’t run the greenslip coverage until the middle of the night, thus making the timing even worse due to Quiet Hours batch sizing. Talk about a self-induced emergency.
05-12-2023 | 05:31 PM
#58
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This is the question I'd love answered: If Bob (senior papa in base) has the first two weeks of the month off and a blanket GS in, and CS just goes to IA 4 times over that period, does Bob get all 4 'senior eligible pilot paid' or does it work like a GS1 and they can't get another until others below get some free money?
05-12-2023 | 06:04 PM
#59
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From: The Right One
This is the question I'd love answered: If Bob (senior papa in base) has the first two weeks of the month off and a blanket GS in, and CS just goes to IA 4 times over that period, does Bob get all 4 'senior eligible pilot paid' or does it work like a GS1 and they can't get another until others below get some free money?
How it should work is:
CS initiates coverage, that process runs through all the steps on the ladder…. If at any time they (CS) abandon the coverage ladder and use reroute or IA to cover the flight, so be it. But, the ARCOS coverage should continue, and the first pilot to accept the trip (that was already covered) gets pay protection. Not just the senior pilot, but the senior pilot who actually accepted/acknowledges the trip via ARCOS. I think that would generate some much needed transparency in the trip coverage.
Maybe it’s time for some union representatives to sit in crew scheduling and observe, perhaps abandoning the coverage ladder should require union notification and concurrence…in real time. There’s no telling how much $ we could capture, that currently takes months to recover.
05-12-2023 | 07:05 PM
#60
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From: Enoch Powell Enthusiast
Complain about "blanket greenslips" all you want, but that GS trip with a 5 am sign in that I would have happily taken at 8pm the night before is a giant p*** off when the phone rings at 345am.
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